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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:00 AM
The Puzzler, on 06 October 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:
Yes, I have a 7 year old son and I call him my young man, or my little man all the time.
More to the point that part is written by Hiddo, who I'd think is a man and I'd find that an even more likely term for a father to call his son back in 1256 - especially when addressing them in the manner it has been used.
The name is "Hidde", not "Hiddo", and it is a woman's name.
Skrêven to Ljuwert. Nêi âtland svnken is thaet thria thû sond fjvwer hvndred aend njugon aend fjvwertigoste jêr, thaet is nei kersten rêknong that tvelfhvndred sex aend fiftigoste jêr. Hidde tobinomath oera Linda. - Wâk.
The whole paragraph seems to have been written by the father: so "she" saved him and his mother (who was Hidde then I wonder, the aunty or grandma...?) - I've always expected that to mean it was the father who saved him and his mother, who was Hidde's wife.
Still, like I said, it's a term I don't think is that uncommon for a father or a mother, using it myself on numerous occasions.
Last year I saved them in the flood, as well as you and your mother; but they got wet, and therefore began to perish. In order not to lose them, I copied them on foreign paper.
Edited by The Puzzler, 07 October 2013 - 07:20 AM.
She is not the wife of Hidde and Ocko is not their son.
There is no reason why "thi and thinra moder" in Hiddes letter would not simply mean "you and your mother".
Besides, in 1256 CE, there were no more Folkmothers.
Okke, my son refers to the Frisian historian Ocko Scharlensis.
That's not a fact, but your belief.
Okke/ Okko is and must have been a normal Frisian name, long before Van Scharle lived.
According to Hamconius (1620), it was also the name of the last Frisian druid (late 8th century) before christianisation (page 106b):
OCCO. Vir ferox; ac Pontificum Ethnicorum Frisiae ultimus. Scripsit de Doctrina Druydum: de successione Professorium ejusdem Doctrinae in Aula Dei, de sacrificijs Deorum, & vindicando eorum culta adversus Christianos ad Radbodum 2 Frisiae Regem; qui tamen, Regno privatus, à S. Adelberto ad fidem conversus est. & Egmunde pie obijt, ut patet ex hoc suo Epitaphio.
Occo. Een wreet man, ende de laetste van de Heydensche Bisschoppen van Frieslant: heeft gheschreven van de leere der Druyden: van het vervolch der Professoren, derselver leere in het Hoff Godes: van de offerhanden der Goden, ende van haerder eerdienst te beschermen teghens de Christenen, ende dat aen Radbodum den tweeden, met welcken hy uyt zyn vaderlant verdreven ende in ballinghschap ghesturven schijnt te wesen. Suffrid., De Scriptor. Frisiae, Decad. 6, cap. 1.
As "Ukko", the name is also very well known in Finnish, and as "Uku" in Estonian.
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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:39 PM
Yes, it would be a very general Frisian name - how absurd to think it is any connection to Ocko Scharlensis - he just has a similar name. Knul you really need to add IMO (in my opinion) next to suggestions like that.
In the late Icelandic Eddas, Tyr is portrayed, alternately, as the son of Odin (Prose Edda) or of Hymir (Poetic Edda), while the origins of his name and his possible relationship to Tuisto (see Tacitus' Germania) suggest he was once considered the father of the gods and head of the pantheon, since his name is ultimately cognate to that of *Dyeus (cf. Dyaus), the reconstructed chief deity in Indo-European religion.
I'm also of the opinion that this Gods name is the origin of the city Tyre. It translates into Semitic to Sur, which means rock - this is not hard to imagine as this ancient symbolism is everywhere. Even the Dome of the Rock, the Rock in question can be considered as God - God is a Rock in the Bible.
The name Rock refers to the fact that God is the foundation of everything. He alone is immovable and unbreakable
Deuteronomy 32:4, 15, 18
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. Scripture Support:
Deuteronomy 32:4, 15, 18
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Just and right is he - that is why imo Tyr's day is Tuesday and this is a day regarded as the day of Justice, in Australia most court appearances are held on a Tuesday.
Mangled into Aries and Mars as God of War but this is not Tyr as above - he was all about justice and stability, you can also read about how their was an original different type of Mars in ancient Rome, not again like Aries/Mars at all, which imo became corrupted by Greeks.
Possibly different from Okke variants with an O rather than U.
Edited by The Puzzler, 11 October 2013 - 02:59 PM.