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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#4321    Othar Winis

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 06:40 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 05 October 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

(Maybe you should try a text editor next time you post something; check your post....)

"scit-scat  ... Faecbook"

You have no eye for detail.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 08:58 AM

View Postgestur, on 06 October 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

"scit-scat  ... Faecbook"

You have no eye for detail.
hahaha I'll pay that one.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:00 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 06 October 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

Yes, I have a 7 year old son and I call him my young man, or my little man all the time.

More to the point that part is written by Hiddo, who I'd think is a man and I'd find that an even more likely term for a father to call his son back in 1256 - especially when addressing them in the manner it has been used.

The name is "Hidde", not "Hiddo", and it is a woman's name.

Skrêven to Ljuwert. Nêi âtland svnken is thaet thria thû sond fjvwer hvndred aend njugon aend fjvwertigoste jêr, thaet is nei kersten rêknong that tvelfhvndred sex aend fiftigoste jêr. Hidde tobinomath oera Linda. - Wâk.

http://oeralinda.web...ra-linda-book#1

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Edited by Abramelin, 07 October 2013 - 01:05 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:13 AM

View Postgestur, on 06 October 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

"scit-scat  ... Faecbook"

You have no eye for detail.

I do, that's why I think you are Otharus, or he is watching over your shoulder while you post.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:03 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 07 October 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

The name is "Hidde", not "Hiddo", and it is a woman's name.

Skrêven to Ljuwert. Nêi âtland svnken is thaet thria thû sond fjvwer hvndred aend njugon aend fjvwertigoste jêr, thaet is nei kersten rêknong that tvelfhvndred sex aend fiftigoste jêr. Hidde tobinomath oera Linda. - Wâk.

http://oeralinda.web...ra-linda-book#1

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Not necessarily:
Hidde


Gender: Boy;

Dutch (or better Fries) name, meaning fighter, one who is ready to fight
http://www.babycente...idde-646235.htm


The whole paragraph seems to have been written by the father: so "she" saved him and his mother (who was Hidde then I wonder, the aunty or grandma...?) - I've always expected that to mean it was the father who saved him and his mother, who was Hidde's wife.

Still, like I said, it's a term I don't think is that uncommon for a father or a mother, using it myself on numerous occasions.

Last year I saved them in the flood, as well as you and your mother; but they got wet, and therefore began to perish. In order not to lose them, I copied them on foreign paper.

Edited post.

Edited by The Puzzler, 07 October 2013 - 07:20 AM.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:16 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 07 October 2013 - 01:13 AM, said:

I do, that's why I think you are Otharus, or he is watching over your shoulder while you post.
Why don't you move on from it if you know it is anyway...?

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 06:46 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 07 October 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:



Hidde

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I've always expected that to mean it was the father who saved him and his mother, who was Hidde's wife.
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Last year I saved them in the flood, as well as you and your mother; but they got wet, and therefore began to perish. In order not to lose them, I copied them on foreign paper.

Edited post.


That's the way I also interpreted Hidde. I did not know it was a used name for girls.

That there is a link with Guido and Gwijde is clear i think, only in which direction :-)

For me Hidde (boy or girl) is just the phoneticcal version of 'Gwijde' pronounced in a language with a soft 'g' and y as 'ie'.
In other words G is pronounced as H -> He(w)yde -> Hiede or Hiedo or Ida

Guido is the french version of Gewijde. Like Willem and Guillaume, french make Guido out of Wido.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:06 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 07 October 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

The name is "Hidde", not "Hiddo", and it is a woman's name.


http://oeralinda.web...ra-linda-book#1

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Hidde is a male name like in Joast Hiddes Helbertsma.

As Otharus wrote: Moder is not the same as Mem. Moder = Folk-s-moder. She is not the wife of Hidde and Ocko is not their son.  Okke, my son refers to the Frisian historian Ocko Scharlensis.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:23 AM

View PostKnul, on 11 October 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

She is not the wife of Hidde and Ocko is not their son.
There is no reason why "thi and thinra moder" in Hiddes letter would not simply mean "you and your mother".
Besides, in 1256 CE, there were no more Folkmothers.

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Okke, my son refers to the Frisian historian Ocko Scharlensis.

That's not a fact, but your belief.
Okke/ Okko is and must have been a normal Frisian name, long before Van Scharle lived.

According to Hamconius (1620), it was also the name of the last Frisian druid (late 8th century) before christianisation (page 106b):

OCCO.
Vir ferox;
ac Pontificum Ethnicorum Frisiae ultimus.
Scripsit de Doctrina Druydum:
de successione Professorium
ejusdem Doctrinae in Aula Dei,
de sacrificijs Deorum,
& vindicando eorum culta adversus Christianos
ad Radbodum 2 Frisiae Regem;
qui tamen, Regno privatus,
à S. Adelberto ad fidem conversus est.
& Egmunde pie obijt,
ut patet ex hoc suo Epitaphio.

The (inaccurate) Dutch translation of Hettema (1844), page 341:

Occo.
Een wreet man,
ende de laetste van de Heydensche Bisschoppen van Frieslant:
heeft gheschreven van de leere der Druyden:
van het vervolch der Professoren,
derselver leere in het Hoff Godes:
van de offerhanden der Goden,
ende van haerder eerdienst te beschermen teghens de Christenen,
ende dat aen Radbodum den tweeden,
met welcken hy uyt zyn vaderlant verdreven
ende in ballinghschap ghesturven schijnt te wesen.
Suffrid., De Scriptor. Frisiae, Decad. 6, cap. 1.

As "Ukko", the name is also very well known in Finnish, and as "Uku" in Estonian.
Source: wikipedia/Ukko


Edited by gestur, 11 October 2013 - 06:24 AM.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:39 PM

Yes, it would be a very general Frisian name - how absurd to think it is any connection to Ocko Scharlensis - he just has a similar name. Knul you really need to add IMO (in my opinion) next to suggestions like that.



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http://www.babynames...om/meaning/Okke - this link has a very annoying pop up so you may not want to click it.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:56 PM

With Ukko - how interesting that it MAY go through to Ja/Yaw - then Twi - all variations on Yahweh and also Tyr/Tuesday (based in Twi sound - "Corresponding names in other Germanic languages are Gothic Teiws" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BDr  ) - Ukko being a very ancient Nordic God.
http://www.babynames...om/meaning/Ukko (same link with annoying pop-up)

In the late Icelandic Eddas, Tyr is portrayed, alternately, as the son of Odin (Prose Edda) or of Hymir (Poetic Edda), while the origins of his name and his possible relationship to Tuisto (see Tacitus' Germania) suggest he was once considered the father of the gods and head of the pantheon, since his name is ultimately cognate to that of *Dyeus (cf. Dyaus), the reconstructed chief deity in Indo-European religion.

I'm also of the opinion that this Gods name is the origin of the city Tyre. It translates into Semitic to Sur, which means rock - this is not hard to imagine as this ancient symbolism is everywhere. Even the Dome of the Rock, the Rock in question can be considered as God - God is a Rock in the Bible.

Definition:


The name Rock refers to the fact that God is the foundation of everything. He alone is immovable and unbreakable


Scripture Support:


Deuteronomy 32:4, 15, 18
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Scripture Support:


Deuteronomy 32:4, 15, 18
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.


Just and right is he - that is why imo Tyr's day is Tuesday and this is a day regarded as the day of Justice, in Australia most court appearances are held on a Tuesday.

The name of Mars Thingsus (Thincsus) is found in an inscription on an 3rd-century altar from the Roman fort and settlement of Vercovicium at Housesteads in Northumberland, thought to have been erected by Frisian mercenaries stationed at Hadrian's Wall. It is interpreted as "Mars of the Thing".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BDr

Mangled into Aries and Mars as God of War but this is not Tyr as above - he was all about justice and stability, you can also read about how their was an original different type of Mars in ancient Rome, not again like Aries/Mars at all, which imo became corrupted by Greeks.

Possibly different from Okke variants with an O rather than U.

Edited by The Puzzler, 11 October 2013 - 02:59 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:32 PM

View PostKnul, on 11 October 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

Hidde is a male name like in Joast Hiddes Helbertsma.

As Otharus wrote: Moder is not the same as Mem. Moder = Folk-s-moder. She is not the wife of Hidde and Ocko is not their son.  Okke, my son refers to the Frisian historian Ocko Scharlensis.

"Hidde" is predominantly a girl's name, derived from "Hilde".

"HiddeS" is something different.

But yes, looking at the letter from HiddE to Okke, Hidde should be the father.

The Frisians often confuse me, heh. There are many male Frisians called "Anne".

And then they wonder why people don't take them seriously, LOL.

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Edited by Abramelin, 11 October 2013 - 09:39 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:43 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 07 October 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

Why don't you move on from it if you know it is anyway...?

I do not like to repeat what I posted to someone pretending to be a new poster, but in reallity is no one else but a former poster who knows exactly what I am talking about.


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:00 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 11 October 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

... someone pretending ... but in reallity ...

Believe what you want to believe.

You follow a long tradition of trying to discredit OLB-advocates.

For someone who claims to not take OLB seriously, you spend much time here.

Why?

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 11:01 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 11 October 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

I do not like to repeat what I posted to someone pretending to be a new poster, but in reallity is no one else but a former poster who knows exactly what I am talking about.
If you know, don't bother repeating it, just play along...like I do. Maybe they have their reasons for it. Let it go Abe.

To clarify the Anne thing:
In the Frisian language it is also used as a male name, in which case it is derived from the old Germanic word element arn, meaning "eagle."[1] The mid-seventh century King Anna of East Anglia was one such male Anna. A modern example is Anne de Vries.
http://en.wikipedia....nna_(given_name)

It's a different root than Anne/Anna.

Either way, Hidde is definitely a male in the OLB context.

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