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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#4396    The Puzzler

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 08:15 AM

View Postgestur, on 19 October 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

If you mean the U with a vertical line in the middle then you are wrong. That is not the same as a W or VV.
Many words with that letter are spelled in modern dutch with "eu" or "ui" (but you will have no idea how to pronounce that).


How do you know?
I don´t think you are right.
Please name some words with that letter and see how those words have degenerated into modern languages.


No way.
Just listen to this video at 1:07 how "ü" is pronounced in german:

What has German got anything to do with anything? Frisian is closest to ENGLISH. Keep that in mind.

Pronounce Wr'alda. What would you say? Every word in the OLB that has the split U is w and is written as W or what looks like double V because that is what W originally was, it did not have the V sound however, as it was also written as double U. There is no W in the OLB alphabet for that reason, because the split U is W. Our English W has no hint of a V sound, that is just German accent.

Edited by The Puzzler, 20 October 2013 - 08:42 AM.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 08:18 AM

View Postgestur, on 19 October 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

The city was never called that.
Certainly not in OLB and nowhere else that I know of.
Wikipedia says it was called Villa Lintarwrde, I'm only going on that information.

The name "Leeuwarden" (or older spelling variants) first came into use for Nijehove, the most important one of the three villages that later merged into one, in the early 9th century (Villa Lintarwrde c. 825)
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Leeuwarden

Edited by The Puzzler, 20 October 2013 - 09:07 AM.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 08:55 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 20 October 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

Frisian is closest to ENGLISH.

Modern Frisian (Nyfrysk) is closer to English than is Oldfrisian.

But Oldfrisian is closest to
1. Dutch, then
2. German, then
3. the Scandinavian dialects, and then
4. English.

It could not be more obvious that you have never read OLB in its original language or even compared the various translations.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 08:58 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 20 October 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

Every word in the OLB that has the split U is w ...

Why do I feel that seriously replying to you is an utter waste of time?

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:12 AM

View Postgestur, on 20 October 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Why do I feel that seriously replying to you is an utter waste of time?
Don't worry, I know there is no spilt U's in the OLB text, there is only W - so don't waste your time, I'm miles ahead.
Now you find W in the OLB alphabet, it doesn't exist - that is why I say that - because every W is really a split U, just written as what is says a double U.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:20 AM

View Postgestur, on 20 October 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

Modern Frisian (Nyfrysk) is closer to English than is Oldfrisian.

But Oldfrisian is closest to
1. Dutch, then
2. German, then
3. the Scandinavian dialects, and then
4. English.

It could not be more obvious that you have never read OLB in its original language or even compared the various translations.
OK whatever. You've become too Dutch gestur.

http://web.quipo.it/...sk/language.htm
Scholars believe that at one time Frisian and Old English were mutually intelligible, but English became influenced by Norman French, and Frisian by Dutch. (Jellema xxxiv). The mechanicÕs comment about William the Conqueror can be seen as accurate to a certain extent. Old English and Old Frisian were so similar, that if it hadnÕt been for the conquering influences of other nations, the two languages would enjoy an even greater inventory of similarities than they already do.
English and Frisian are often grouped together as Anglo-Frisian (Crystal 301) however it it now believed that the hypothesis that Old English and Frisian can be derived from a single Anglo-Frisian mother tongue is an oversimplification (Tiersma 2). But even now, after centuries of language change the connection between the two languages can still be seen. Consider the following examples in which an eg in certain environments became an ei or ai in Frisian and English, but not in Dutch or German:
Frisian
English
Dutch
German
dei   (F)
day   (E)
dag   (D)
Tag   (G)
rein
rain
regen
Regen
wei
way
weg
Weg
neil
nail
nagel
Negel

Edited by The Puzzler, 20 October 2013 - 09:21 AM.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 03:35 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 20 October 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

Don't worry, I know there is no spilt U's in the OLB text, there is only W - so don't waste your time, I'm miles ahead.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 03:39 PM

Example of Flemish (in Leuven, Belgium) who still like wordgames.

Visjes (sounds like vicious)= diminutive, plural of vis (fish).

I saw this on the window of a fish-shop.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 03:40 PM

Wow.......I had not realized there was such difference of opinion between the main contributors of this thread ........no wonder there is so often what seems like bickering between you , now i understand the reason for that more , ... you are all coming from different standpoints .

i would be interested in reading the story that Knul thinks OLB is a word for word copy of . as i presume if this is the case , that will fairly wrap it up  ??


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 03:47 PM

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Last week I visited Amsterdam and went to one of the biggest and most central book shops.
This is what I saw at the history department, on the mythology shelf.
When I bought my copy, in 2009, I had to order it, as no shop had it.
So why did this shop have it now?
I asked the guy from the history section.
He answered "just a coincidence", and immediately added "but ofcourse it is nonsense" (he used the word "kolder").
I asked why - if it is nonsense - it was in the history section, on the mythology shelf.
He said he refused to put it at "esoterics". (In that case I would not have seen it.)
Still, rather bizarre that it was openly displayed, not standing on its side between other books, specially if the guy from the shop who ordered it thinks it is nonsense. Why would he want to sell nonsense?

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 08:21 PM

I was going through my old posts in UM and found this post by puzzler to which i had replied too

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 11:09 AM
Well, quite frankly I don't know what to think but I know I don't really even want to think about it anymore. None of it. It sends you paranoid.

Maybe that's what happened to Ottema, I don't know but with all these sorts of prophecies going on and war, etc in the world it wouldn't surprise me if some sort of pattern leads to dates of destruction, these ideas are not new.

No one wants to think that the world will end, well some do I spose. Maybe ignorance is bliss.

I'm done here, I don't really care anymore about the OLB, it's message seems to hide something no one maybe needs or wants to know.

Who knows?


that was in 2011 and she is still at it...even though she claimed that she doesnt really care about the OLB. :innocent:

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:14 PM

View PostNO-ID-EA, on 20 October 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

Wow.......I had not realized there was such difference of opinion between the main contributors of this thread ........no wonder there is so often what seems like bickering between you , now i understand the reason for that more , ... you are all coming from different standpoints .

i would be interested in reading the story that Knul thinks OLB is a word for word copy of . as i presume if this is the case , that will fairly wrap it up  ??

I translated word-for-word part of the first chapter, which you may compare with the Dutch translation of Ottema.


Thet [het] bok [boek] thêra [der] Adela [Adela] folstar [opvolgers].

Thrittich [dertig] jêr [jaar] aeftere [na de] dêi [dag] that [dat] thju [de] folksmoder [volksmoeder] wmbrocht [omgebracht] was [was] thrvch [door] thêne [de] vreste [overste] Mâgy [Magy] stand [stond] et [het] er [er] aerg [erg] vm [aan] to [toe]. Alle [alle] stâta [staten] thêr=er [die er[ lidsa [liggen] anda [aan de] ôre [andere] syde [zijde] thêre [der] Wrsara [Wezer], wêron [waren] fon [van] vs [ons] ofkêrth [afgekeerd]* aend [en] vnder=et [onder het] weld [geweld] thes [des] Magy [Magy] kêmen [gekomen] , aend=et [en het] stand [stond] to [te] frêsane [vrezen] , that [dat] er [hij] weldig [geweldig] skolde [zou] wertha [worden] vr=et [over het] êlle [hele] lând [land] . Vmbe [om] thaet [dat] vnluk [ongeluk] to [te] wêrane [weren] hêde [had] maen [men] êne [een] mêna âcht [gemene vergadering] bilidsen [belegd], hwêr [waar] gâdurath [vergaderd] wêron [waren] âllera [alle] maennelik [mannen], thêr [die] ann=en [in een] gode [goede] hrop [roep] stande [stonden] by [bij] tha [de] fâmna [vrouwen]. Tha [doch] nêi [na] thât=er [dat er] mâr [meer] vrlâpen [verlopen] wêron [waren] as [als] thrjv [drie] etmelda [etmalen] , was [was] al [al] go=rêd [gouwraad] anda [in de] tys [war] aend [en] al=ên [al een] sa [zo] by [bij] hjara [haar] kvmste [komst] . Thâ [toen] to [tot] tha [de] lesta [laatste ]frêge [vroeg] Adela [Adela] thaet [het] wird [word], aende [en] kêth [zei]. J [jullie] alle [allen] wêt=et [ weet het] that [dat] ik [ik] thrjv [drie] jêr [jaar] burchfàm [burchtvrouw] wêsen [geweest] sy [zij]. Ak [ook] wêt [weet] j [jullie] that [dat] ik [ik] kêren [gekozen] sy [zij] to [tot] moder [moeder] , aend [en] âk [ook], that [dat] ik [ik] nên [geen] moder [moeder] nêsa [niet zijn]  navt [niet] nilde [niet wilde] , thrvchdam [doordat] ik [ik] Apol [Apol] to [tot] min [mijn] êngâ [echtgenoot] jêrde [begeerde] . Thach hwat j navt nête, thaet is, that ik alle bêrtnisa nêigvngen haew, êvin as ik en wrentlike folksmoder wêsen wêre. Ik haev al=an fon aend witherfâren to sjande hwaet=er bêrde. Thêr thrvch send my fêlo sêka bâr wrden, thêr ôra navt nête. J haeweth jester sêith, thaet vsa sibba an tha ôra syd thêre Wrsara njvt aend lâf wêre. Thâ ik mêi sedsa to jv, thaet=er Mâgy se nên yne gâ of wnnen heth thrvch thaet weld synra wêpne, men blât thrvch aergelestige renka, aend jeta mâr thrvch thaet gyrich sa thêra hyrtogum aend thêra êthelinga. Frya heth sêit wi ne skoldon nên vnfrya ljvd by vs tolêta, thâ hwat haevon hja dên? hja haevon vsa fjand nêi folged: hwand an stêd fon hjara fensenum to dêiande, jeftha fry to lêtane, haevon hja Fryas rêd minacht aend se to hjara slâfonum mâked. Thrvchdam hja sok dêdon, macht Frya navt longer wâka ovir hjam: hja haevon ynes ôtheris frydom binimen, aend thaet is êrsêke, thaet hja hjara aejn vrlêren+

Het boek van Adela's aanhangers.

Dertig jaren na den dag, waarop de volksmoeder omgebracht was, door den overste Magy, stond het er erg aan toe. Alle Staten, die er liggen aan de andere zijde der Weser, waren van ons afgescheurd* en onder het geweld des Magy gekomen; en het stond te vreezen, dat hij geweldig zoude worden over het geheele land. Om dat ongeluk te weeren, had men eene algemeene volksvergadering belegd, alwaar vergaderd waren alle manspersonen, die in een goeden roep stonden bij de maagden (priesteressen). Doch nadat er meer verloopen waren dan drie etmalen, was de geheele Go=raad in de war, en alles even als bij hunne komst. Toen ten laatste vroeg Adela het woord, en sprak: Gij allen weet, dat ik drie jaren burgtmaagd geweest ben; ook weet gij, dat ik gekozen ben tot volksmoeder en dat ik niet volksmoeder wezen wilde, omdat ik Apol tot mijn echtgenoot begeerde. Doch wat gij niet weet, dat is, dat ik alle gebeurtenissen nagegaan heb, evenals of ik een wezenlijke volksmoeder was geweest. Ik heb gestadig heen en weder gereisd, toeziende wat er gebeurde. Daardoor zijn mij veele zaken openbaar geworden, die anderen niet weten. Gij hebt gisteren gezegd, dat onze stamverwanten aan de andere zijde der Wezer tam en laf waren; doch ik mag tot u zeggen, dat de Magy hun niet één dorp afgewonnen heeft door het geweld zijner wapenen, maar bloot door arglistige ranken en nog meer door de hebzucht der hertogen en edelingen. Frya heeft gezegd: wij moesten geene onvrije lieden bij ons toelaten; doch wat hebben zij gedaan? Zij hebben onze vijanden nagevolgd; want in plaats van hunne gevangenen te dooden of vrij te laten, hebben zij Fryas raad veracht en hen tot hunne slaven gemaakt. Omdat zij zulks deden, had Frya geene lust meer langer over hen te waken; zij hebben eens anders vrijheid benomen, en dat is oorzaak, dat zij hunne eigene verloren

* mistake by Ottema afgescheurd in stead of afgekeerd.

Edited by Knul, 20 October 2013 - 09:18 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:45 PM

View Postgestur, on 20 October 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Why do I feel that seriously replying to you is an utter waste of time?

Because you are as arrogant as Otharus once was, pretending to know more than anyone else does?


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:49 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 17 October 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

However, modern standard Dutch was not used in this region in the Middle Ages, when the city was called Lintarwrde.

This is why it doesn't make sense. The end part of the word is not warden originally. The Frisians would have had therp or such a word imo. The word Leeuwarden may be a Dutch interpretation and spelling of a word that sounds the same but actually possesses a different etymology to the Frisian name of origin.

Your quote is about the first part of the name, Leu.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:58 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 20 October 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

I was going through my old posts in UM and found this post by puzzler to which i had replied too




that was in 2011 and she is still at it...even though she claimed that she doesnt really care about the OLB. :innocent:

She does care, and she knows it.

I have had the same feelings before, but then again, I return, and be as fanatic as I ever was.

Sometimes you just get tired and say things you don't really mean. I am quite sure Puzz will never really get tired of this topic.

This topic is about so many things from history, that anyone interested in history will never get tired of it.

We have talked and discussed about Phoenicians, Vikings, Germanic tribes, runes, religion, linguistics, etymology, Romans, and so on, and so on, and so on.

No other thread here encompassed that many topics.





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