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#31    ShadowSot

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 03:45 AM

Small font fix, my eyes couldn't read it.

View Postpsyche101, on 21 May 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

"The typical method of working hard stones - such as granite, diorite, basalt, etc.- was by means of bronze tools; these were set with cutting points, far harder than the quartz which was operated on. The material of these cutting points is yet undetermined; but only five substances are possible - beryl, topaz, chrysoberyl, corindum or sapphire, and diamond. The character of the work would certainly seem to point to diamond as being the cutting jewel; and only the considerations of its rarity in general,...interfer with this conclusion."
" Many nations,..., are in the habit of cutting hard materials by mean of a soft substance (as copper, wood, horn etc.), with a hard powder applied to it; the powder sticks in the basis employed, and this being scraped over the stone to be cut, so wears it away. Many persons have therefore very readily assumed(as I myself did at first) that this method must necessarily have been used by the Egyptians; and that it would suffice to produce all the examples now collected. Such, however, is far from being the case; though no doubt in alabastar, and other soft stones, this method was employed."
"That the Egyptians were acquainted with a cutting jewel far harder than quartz, and that they used this jewel as a sharp pointed graver, is put beyond doubt by the diorite bowls with inscriptions of the fourth dynasty, of which I found fragments at Gizeh; as well as the scratches on polished granite of Ptolemaic age at San. The hieroglyphs are incised, with a very fre-cutting point; they are not scraped or ground out, but are ploughed through the diorite, with rough edges to the line. As the lines are only 1/150 inch wide (the figures being about .2 long), it is evidence that the cutting point must have been much harder than quartz; and tough enough not to splinter when so fine an edge was being employed, probably only 1/200 inch wide. Parallel lines are graved only 1/30 inch apart from centre to centre."
"We therefore need have no hesitation in allowing that the graving out of lines in hard stones by jewel points, was a well known art. And when we find on the surfaces of the saw-cuts in diorite, grooves as deep as 1/100 inch, it appears far more likely that such were produced by fixed jewel points in the saw, than by any fortuitous rubbing about of a loose powder. And when, further, it is seen that these deep grooves are almost always regular and uniform in depth, and equidistant, their production by the successive cuts of the jewel teeth of a saw appears to be beyond question..."
"That the blades of the saw were of bronze, we know from the green staining on the sides of the saw cuts, and on grains of sand left in a saw cut.
The forms of the tools were straight saws, circular saws, tubular drills, and lathes.
The straight saws varied from .03 to .2 inch thick, according to the work; the largest were 8 feet or more in length..." "...No. 6, a slice of diorite bearing equidistant and regular grooves of circular arcs, parallel to one another; these grooves have been nearly polished out by cross grinding, but are still visible. The only feasible explanation of this piece is that it was produced by a circular saw."

"These tubular drills vary in thickness from 1/4 inch to 5 inches in diameter, and from 1/30 to 1/5 inch thick. The smallest hole yet found in granite is 2 inch diameter."
"At El Bersheh... there is a still larger example, where a platform of limestone rock has been dressed down, by cutting it away with tube drills about 18 inches diameter; the circular grooves occasionally intersecting, prove that it was done merely to remove the rock."

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 03:48 AM

View Postzoser, on 18 May 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

Usual response; lots of cynicism, no suggestions as to how it was done.  No reference to metals used that were or were not supposed to be available in that time, type of drilling tools, means of alignment etc etc etc.  Ah well.  Nothing new then.


Usual response, missed over half the posts and buried your head in the sand when an explanation was put forth. Dead set, you are easily impressed with artifact's.

Have a look at the unfinished Obelisk. It is craved directly from Bedrock and comprises mostly granite. Look at the size of the bloody thing, and there is no doubt that it is the work of man.

Personally, I think the Greek Pantheon is far more impressive and shows much more skill.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 03:50 AM

View PostShadowSot, on 21 May 2012 - 03:45 AM, said:

Small font fix, my eyes couldn't read it.


Hi ShadwSot

I noticed that when I posted, I have fixed it now. That has caught me out a few times of late, it looks fine in the post when putting it together, but when you hit the post button, much quoted text shrinks. Bit of a pain in the backside that.

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Edited by psyche101, 21 May 2012 - 04:24 AM.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 03:59 AM

View Postzoser, on 20 May 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Damrod, it's not about fighting it's about your rhetoric.  You are not actually saying anything technical or reasonable.  The history books do the same.   This is why the so called fringe sciences have arisen; they perceive the rhetoric from science to be nothing but empty.  Now I don't want to take the issue from precision architecture to fringe/othrodox science; I prefer to stick with the issue and try and speculate how it was done.

How did ancient people cut 2-3 feet perfect circular holes in diorite?  What metal did they have?  Copper, bronze perhaps?  These metals are too soft.

Already addressed in several threads in the ancient mysteries sub-forum. A.They can be harder than you think. B. Depending the method, the metal isn't what does the cutting.

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If you look very carefully at the hole, it appears that burning has taken place.  What about the grooves?  How do rotating tools produce this?  Impossible to me.

Also already addressed.  The narrators assume all the marks were created at the same time. Note the quasi-concentric rings down the length of the bore, consistent with a tube drill.

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If the standard history model of their culture is to be believed, how would they have been able to devote time, resources, to achieving this?  Who fed them?  Bearing in mind it would have needed an army of master builders over decades.  Look at the hundreds of blocks at Puma Punku.

Since we're asking questions and you seem to have the answers, How many men per block and how long to create one?
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:23 AM

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Look at the hundreds of blocks at Puma Punku.



They are mixed rocks, some of it simple sandstone. Not Diorite.


If ET had been here, you would think something a little less cryptic might show up, instead of us deciding what we can ascribe to a higher power to. Having to make a case to shoehorn ET in is a very long way from being at all convincing. In all honesty, I think you have ET investigation back to front. Normally, one would find some type of evidence, and then attempt to rationalise an answer, you always convince yourself of an answer and then seek the evidence. That is how it looks from where I am anyway.

Edited by psyche101, 21 May 2012 - 04:28 AM.

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