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[Karlis]

Consider the statistics from the graph at this site http://www.thecurseo...rce & Curse.htm

The article states that, "... divorce steadily increased from the 1800s up to World War I and 1920 ...".

The author of the article gives his reasoning for these statistics. Please discuss and add your thoughts.

[Odin11]

I can't tell if that was for real or not. If it was, then that is one of the most sexist thing I have read.

Edited by Odin11, 20 May 2012 - 06:21 AM.

[questionmark]

It bis very simple: People are not so dependent on each other anymore to be forced to make a bad marriage work. I perfectly understand the attitude: Rather six children than one bad husband/wife.

Time for the Micky-Mouse Pashas to learn that they have a part in making it work too or it will not...

[Paracelse]

I started reading the article and I got as far as this

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As feminization increased, divorce rates increased.  When women gain the authority of the man, many social ills follow.  Why?  Because matriarchy is a government that is contrary to the government of Yahweh God, where two become one flesh under the husband’s headship

This is when I called it a quit.  The author is insane obnoxious

[questionmark]

Paracelse, on 20 May 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

I started reading the article and I got as far as this


This is when I called it a quit.  The author is insane obnoxious

Ah well, the patriarchal-catholic skew of the article.... I tend to ignore those... as they deserve...

[WhyDontYouBeliEveMe]

woman today they just dont know what they want. !  , well the divorce rate is the hightest in western countries . ! as men, we must cook for them ,do the dishes ,laundry, playing with the kids, take them out . vacations, name it !
and ALWAYS  say YES TO THEM ! and o yeah once a while .. let them cry ! .. lol

[Cradle of Fish]

Catholics hate women. What else is new?

[and then]

Human beings are selfish.  When their basic needs have been met in a marriage they begin to look for more and more often than not that's found within the ego.  If there isn't sufficient self discipline from some source then the ego runs wild and pretty soon divorce is the parachute to a new life.

[Karlis]

What are the reasons for the escalating divorce rate, as shown in the graph in the OP?

[questionmark]

Karlis, on 20 May 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

What are the reasons for the escalating divorce rate, as shown in the graph in the OP?

That women are not dependent on an abusive husband anymore, as they are in Catholic dreamland. That is the reason. And the reason why this started in the '20s is very simple: For the first time in recent history the work of women was valuated, a necessity created by WWI, where  men were off fighting and women keeping the factories alive. And women learned something not taught to them for a long time: You are as much worth as a man, therefore you don't have to take any **** from men.

Now its time for men to realize the same thing and the divorce rate will go down again.

[Karlis]

questionmark, on 20 May 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

That women are not dependent on an abusive husband anymore, as they are in Catholic dreamland. That is the reason. And the reason why this started in the '20s is very simple: For the first time in recent history the work of women was valuated, a necessity created by WWI, where  men were off fighting and women keeping the factories alive. And women learned something not taught to them for a long time: You are as much worth as a man, therefore you don't have to take any **** from men.

Now its time for men to realize the same thing and the divorce rate will go down again.

What about "family values", Questionmark?

Is it possible that in 'times past', there were stronger family ties than exist today?

Has perhaps personal responsibility and belonging within the family structure diminished over the last century or so?

Maybe the 'extended family cohesion' was of more importance in the past, as opposed to selfishness and instant gratification today?

Perhaps changing moral standards have changed ... take the hippy values of the 1960s for example ... did these attitudes help to break down family structure?

What about a common religious commitment within past families -- did such cohesion strengthen family unity in the past, more so than today?

Perhaps families spent more of their free/spare time together, rather than individuals today do?

Perhaps open cohabitation as practiced today, and frowned upon in the past, has influenced the acceptance of one-parent living, as opposed to two=parent traditional families?

Did perhaps parents set a more "solid" role model for their children to emulate when the children grew up to have their own families? Perhaps family members had closer inter-personal communication in earlier generations?

Is it possible that today individuals within family units are somewhat more self-centered and 'selfish' than in past generations? Is it possible that in days past parents instilled healthier moral/family values in their children than generally tends to happen in today's "dysfunctional" and often one-parent families?

Is it possible that today society's tendency to accept drugs and violence as a normal way of life desensitises individuals from commitment to long-term family responsibilities?

Maybe a combination of many of the above aspects leads to loss of self-respect, and respect for family cohesion?

Just a few thoughts to consider. There are innumerable other values worth bringing up as well.

[questionmark]

Karlis, on 20 May 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

What about "family values", Questionmark?

Is it possible that in 'times past', there were stronger family ties than exist today?

Has perhaps personal responsibility and belonging within the family structure diminished over the last century or so?

Maybe the 'extended family cohesion' was of more importance in the past, as opposed to selfishness and instant gratification today?

Perhaps changing moral standards have changed ... take the hippy values of the 1960s for example ... did these attitudes help to break down family structure?

What about a common religious commitment within past families -- did such cohesion strengthen family unity in the past, more so than today?

Perhaps families spent more of their free/spare time together, rather than individuals today do?

Perhaps open cohabitation as practiced today, and frowned upon in the past, has influenced the acceptance of one-parent living, as opposed to two=parent traditional families?

Did perhaps parents set a more "solid" role model for their children to emulate when the children grew up to have their own families? Perhaps family members had closer inter-personal communication in earlier generations?

Is it possible that today individuals within family units are somewhat more self-centered and 'selfish' than in past generations? Is it possible that in days past parents instilled healthier moral/family values in their children than generally tends to happen in today's "dysfunctional" and often one-parent families?

Is it possible that today society's tendency to accept drugs and violence as a normal way of life desensitises individuals from commitment to long-term family responsibilities?

Maybe a combination of many of the above aspects leads to loss of self-respect, and respect for family cohesion?

Just a few thoughts to consider. There are innumerable other values worth bringing up as well.

What family values are you talking about, like it is very useful for a family having parents living in discord?

Family values is something in intact families. That is not the type of family where the man behaves like a tyrant or like a pasha, as evidently pushed by some. If there is no intact relationship there are no family values. There is just a lived lie.

[Karlis]

questionmark, on 20 May 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

What family values are you talking about, like it is very useful for a family having parents living in discord?
^^^I'm talking about all the values I mentioned above, Questionmark. Don't you think that all of those are "family values"?


Family values is something in intact families.
^^^Exactly so.


That is not the type of family where the man behaves like a tyrant or like a pasha, as evidently pushed by some.
^^^Spot on, again.


If there is no intact relationship there are no family values. There is just a lived lie.
^^^And that is what we see to often today, agreed?

I think we may well be on the same page, even if you say otherwise,
Karlis

[Ugly1]

I believe a major reason is because people "settle" for who they are with. Even though a person may want someone else, they tend to stick with what they have because that is what they are familiar with.

Before I met my wife I was either psycho, or with a psycho. By that I mean that either I was crazy, or this other lady I was with was crazy. I got engaged to this woman. She was not smart, kind of slutty and a total opposite from my personality. I was familiar with her though. I remember thinking in my head that I was going to be stuck with this woman for life. After that thought, that same nite I broke it off with her.

Few months later, I meet my future wife. Smart, patient, beautiful, and so much more I cannot even list. Way better than I deserve. She gave me the most beautiful baby boy I have ever seen or had the pleasure to be around.

Just to think if I had stayed with that other woman I would be among the divorced statistics.

I guess my theory is that people don't have to guts to break off relationships anymore. Start over, try again. They just settle because they are afraid to look more, or they feel like they may not be able to do better. If you are thinking this, you are wrong.

[ZaraKitty]

Because now women aren't subservient to men, they can't just get married off and stay married. Also, people fall in love and fall out of love, only now they don't have to stay together because it's not a social taboo to be divorced anymore.