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[willowdreams]

Before,  the laws and society were set up in such a way that an unmarried woman was frowned on and one who divorced was usually ignored as a brazen woman.

As for family values, what family values is suffering? Again, woman at one time were second class people.. barely that sometimes, family values? A man could beat his wife and it was ok.

We look at things through rose colored glasses and pretty words, but we do know that behind closed doors it was not always so very nice.

Sometimes it was, not always.

Also in some cases, men and woman and children worked so hard from sun up to sun down, that by the time it came to being with one another to socialize as husband and wife, it was bedtime. And they were exhausted, or I am sure more families would have had more children.

Today is not the like that anymore. And choices can be made, sometimes good. sometimes bad.

But when you find you cannot be with the one you married without feeling bitterness, smothering and anger.. it is better for the children if you do not force something you really really really do not want.

Better two parents apart who can show love and caring, then two pple together who are giving off vibes of bare tolerance of one another.

[and then]

THE MATRIX, on 20 May 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Shocking that none of the Right Wingers here are blaming gay marriage.LOL.

In fairness it is too soon to see where that category of marriage will find itself within the statistics.  Gay marriage is opposed for totally opposite reasons which remain valid regardless your derision.  Actually, Matrix, it's kind of a mindless point to add to the discussion.

[katzemacht]

I tried the married thing long ago but wouldn't do it again, I think since I married young that I hadn't grown up enough to get to know myself, let alone another.  But I do admire people that are married and stay together, for better for worse,
and feel pity for the ones repeatedly remarrying because they always want something better.  

Getting married was alot cheaper than the lawyer fees, and ya it was worth it, but wouldn't make a habit of it.  

Some people like me just aren't meant to be married, and in today's world its not easy but if you find someone that not only looks at you but in the same direction you're going, go for it.

[conspiracybeliever]

Socio, on 21 May 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:

I think welfare and ever increasing benefits particularly for unmarried women with children is also a large factor it has made it much easier for women to get by with out their husbands and easier for husbands to leave a marriage and not worry about repercussions such as a roof over his kids head and food in their stomach, the Government has got his back.

Actually there is a lot more welfare for the married than there is for single parents, single female parents anyways. At least here in the states. Men have to pay child support and there is very little welfare that is available to a single mother. As far as I've seen it is food and keeping a roof over their heads if they don't get child support and they are also forced to work whereas welfare for married couples covers just about everything even a loan for a house that goes according to your income and the wife doesn't have to work. That's what I saw throughout my life anyways. Married people get the welfare that doesn't look like welfare. Welfare creates the perfect image of the perfect family. It's all a lie but..... what isn't?

[conspiracybeliever]

And when those FHA loans first came about they were actually calling them Farmers Home Loans or Future Farmers of America something like that. I remember thinking it strange because all the farms were dying off at that time. So all the perfect welfare families got little homes out in the country. They couldn't get them in certain counties that were more populated. And all those single mothers who needed help were in housing developments on food stamps. Years later they changed the name to Future Home Owners of America or something like that. Then they were also available to single people I understand. Of course not at the same interest rates. Or not according to your income.

[DieChecker]

conspiracybeliever, on 22 May 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

Actually there is a lot more welfare for the married than there is for single parents, single female parents anyways. At least here in the states. Men have to pay child support and there is very little welfare that is available to a single mother. As far as I've seen it is food and keeping a roof over their heads if they don't get child support and they are also forced to work whereas welfare for married couples covers just about everything even a loan for a house that goes according to your income and the wife doesn't have to work. That's what I saw throughout my life anyways. Married people get the welfare that doesn't look like welfare. Welfare creates the perfect image of the perfect family. It's all a lie but..... what isn't?

You should get married.

[FurthurBB]

ZaraKitty, on 20 May 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Because now women aren't subservient to men, they can't just get married off and stay married. Also, people fall in love and fall out of love, only now they don't have to stay together because it's not a social taboo to be divorced anymore.

On this note, I think people also do not try anymore.  When you are married a long time you have days where you feel really in love and other days that you feel like you couldn't hate anyone more than your spouse.  People have this image that you should be happy all the time if you are meant to be and that is just not the case.  Marriage sometimes has to be worked at.

[conspiracybeliever]

DieChecker, on 23 May 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

You should get married.

I have been married and I didn't like it. That's why I'm single. I don't want the welfare. I want the welfare recipients/perfect families to stop stealing from me and then calling me the welfare recipient. I want what I work for. Stop stealing from me and giving it to lazy, stupid child abusers. I don't want to be married and I see no reason why I should pay for yours. I have no respect for marriage. If you can't do it without stealing from me don't do it!!

[conspiracybeliever]

FurthurBB, on 23 May 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

On this note, I think people also do not try anymore.  When you are married a long time you have days where you feel really in love and other days that you feel like you couldn't hate anyone more than your spouse.  People have this image that you should be happy all the time if you are meant to be and that is just not the case.  Marriage sometimes has to be worked at.

I don't have an image that people should be happy all the time. Why do you think marriage is the only way? I'm happy not being married. Why do you people insist on forcing it on me? If you're happy with that way of life go ahead and do it. Live the way you want to and I'll live the way I want to. Just do it without stealing from me. THAT IS ALL I ASK!!! How do you even think marriage is going to work for everyone? Is there an even number of men and women on the planet?

And yes I do want my 40 acres and a mule!!!!