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Sphinx and GP dates from 10 500 BC?


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#1456    LRW

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:15 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 04 December 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:

Yes, I can translate hieroglyphs


I don't believe you can, nor do i believe "Egyptologists" can. But thats only an opinion. If it irritates you, then thats not my problem. Not everyone will think you as a poster and "Egyptologists" are the end all and be all of the study of the pyramids.

You're not the only ones who study it.  

This will be my last post on this thread. I believe i have made valuable contributions to the topic, albeit controversial ones that some posters do not agree with it. But thats the nature of an "Alternative History And Ancient Mystery Forum" Not everyone will agree with alternative history and mysteries that are different from the garbage that the mainstream likes to entertain.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:28 AM

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:39 AM

View PostLRW, on 04 December 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

I don't believe you can, nor do i believe "Egyptologists" can. But thats only an opinion. If it irritates you, then thats not my problem. Not everyone will think you as a poster and "Egyptologists" are the end all and be all of the study of the pyramids.

You're not the only ones who study it.  

This will be my last post on this thread. I believe i have made valuable contributions to the topic, albeit controversial ones that some posters do not agree with it. But thats the nature of an "Alternative History And Ancient Mystery Forum" Not everyone will agree with alternative history and mysteries that are different from the garbage that the mainstream likes to entertain.

Your beliefs are irrelevant. Prove them wrong.

Obviously you've failed in that regard.

I feel another "Hava Nagila" moment coming on. :tu:

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:38 AM

View PostLRW, on 03 December 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

Sure it doesn't, whatever floats your boat Cormac. You still are not convincing enough to change my opinion. I have heard countless mainstream Egyptologists talk about the bible as if it was all true. They base their history around the bible and frequently cite from it when they talk in interviews and documentaries.





My ignorance must be very terrible to you.

You sound like you're hurting from alternative views being expressed. I can feel your pain.

I entertain the idea that the translation of the rosetta stone is all subjective, its only an opinion. I am not going to accept it as truth, because i don't believe Egyptologists are qualified enough to translate Hieroglyphics efficiently and truthfully. I also entertain the idea that they did not make that stone, therefore their assumptions are wild guesses full of holes.

They could not possibly understand ancient Hieroglyphics. I also entertain the idea that the rosetta stone could in fact be a farce, a fake etc and has a dubious origin. It certainly looks quite dubious, given that greek is on it. The stone is seen to be the key to the modern understanding of Egyptian hieroglyphs. Note, i don't agree with the term  Egyptian hieroglyphs, therefore  i shall reconstruct the sentence to my liking.   

The rosetta stone is seen to be the key to the modern understanding of  hieroglyphs engraved in the north african region. I entertain the idea that that such a stone is not a 100% real genuine artifact from the region of the pyramids. I am leaning towards the idea that the rosetta stone is a fake designed by organisations promoting false history, but i would have to see the stone close up to be 100% sure. Certainly from the photographs it looks like a genuine fake. Thats my opinion.

A faked language needs to be both internally and externally consistent. Literally anyone can learn hieroglyphs and apply them to any existing inscription in them anywhere and get a coherent readable result. This simply is not possible if the language were made up, even if the creators knew the real language beforehand. Most of what you tried to read would be gibberish. The cross-over with Coptic and thus the wealth of existing Coptic documents would also not produce results.

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It does not look to be of an ancient construction, it looks like quite a recent construction, perhaps a few hundreds years old or so. The name of the stone is also dubious and suggests promotion of deceit.  The whole look of the stone looks fake and certainly not as real as real genuine tangible artifacts like the hammurabi code.

The hammurabi code looks more majestic and tangible looking evidence of an ancient world. The Rosetta stone looks fake compared to the hammurabi.  

The Hammurabi stele is in one piece, while the Rosetta stele is badly damaged. They're about a close a match as a crocodile and a dinosaur. Oh, wait...

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:27 AM

View PostLRW, on 04 December 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

I don't believe you can, nor do i believe "Egyptologists" can. But thats only an opinion. If it irritates you, then thats not my problem. Not everyone will think you as a poster and "Egyptologists" are the end all and be all of the study of the pyramids.

You're not the only ones who study it.  

This will be my last post on this thread. I believe i have made valuable contributions to the topic, albeit controversial ones that some posters do not agree with it. But thats the nature of an "Alternative History And Ancient Mystery Forum" Not everyone will agree with alternative history and mysteries that are different from the garbage that the mainstream likes to entertain.

Guess what? Nobody really cares what you believe, what you can demonstrate is what counts around here. And believe me, kmt has demonstrated his ability to translate hieroglyphs more than once around here...or at least he can do it better than anybody else on this board.

And, calling 1+1=2 garbage is your right, but if I were not to give the intermission clown on this show I would refrain from doing it all too often... we already have enough of them and not enough intermissions.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

Intermission? here is intermission :sk
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:10 PM

View PostAtentutankh-pasheri, on 04 December 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Intermission? here is intermission :sk
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:15 PM

LRW,

What in the world are you bumping your gums about?  You come into this Forum claiming Egyptology is all wrong and present precisely NOTHING to back up what you claim. You  do yourself a great disservice.  That is NOT the way to debate.   An unevidenced alternative view is just as bad as an unevidenced orthodox view. (And we have enough of them around here).  Evidence, dear boy - EVIDENCE.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:33 PM

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:40 PM

Lol.

There's a little humour in the thread. It may not be deep but it's quite broad.  ;)

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:02 PM

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:48 PM

Is it true that Egyptian hieroglyph "R" can also  phoneticly been read or ment as "L" ?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:55 PM

View PostScott Creighton, on 04 December 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:




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Dinner in pyramid? Or Bull cult?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:10 PM

View Postthe L, on 04 December 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

Is it true that Egyptian hieroglyph "R" can also  phoneticly been read or ment as "L" ?

Yes, but generally only in the spelling of foreign names or words. Linguists have posited that most or all dialects in the ancient Nile Valley did not possess an "L" in their language, so the Egyptians tended to use a handful of different glyphs to try to represent this sound. The "R" glyph (D21) was one of these. However, by far the most common to represent the "L" sound was the glyph depicting a recumbant lion (E23). See the hieroglyphic spellings for names like Ptolemy and Cleopatra.

When used to represent phonetic values within texts or inscriptions written by Egyptians for the sake of their own language, the "R" glyph did not stand for an "L."

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:37 AM

View PostScott Creighton, on 04 December 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

~SNIP~

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The key part here of any relevance is this:

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...underneath outer course linen, a finer linen had been used to model tendons and bones...

...recent radiocarbon dating shows them to be many centuries younger than Djoser.

So any radiocarbon dating only applies to the linen/finer linen modelled tendons and bones. There's nothing here to suggest that any actual bone was radiocarbon dated. And, as opposed to these modelled tendons and bones, Jean-Phillipe Lauer was said to have found pieces of skin, bone from a human left foot and an upper arm. None of which could be mistaken for the 'finer linen modelled tendons and bones' previously mentioned.

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Edited by cormac mac airt, 05 December 2012 - 02:47 AM.

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