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[RelentlessAlarm]

Disclaimer: I am not posting this to troll, spam, or otherwise annoy. I post this for those who, like me, might find this highly intriguing and because I was hoping to find someone to analyse this with. Personally, I am less interested in debating its legitimacy (was he, wasn't he); though a very valid conversation, it is one I have already had at length. I am more interested in analyzing/discussing the specifics and general questions/tools/philosophies/impressions anyone gained while reading this or in the years following reading this.

The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

This happened back in 2005, but is nevertheless quite fascinating and certainly worth a read if you have not already read it. Even if you have read it, and rolled your eyes at it the first time around, I recommend giving it a second look...perhaps your perspective has since changed as mine have.

I read this three times during three stages in my life. The first time, I was intrigued, but entirely too skeptical and (admittedly) ignorant to fully digest. As I developed as a person, I revisted Insider's words, able to now understand and fully process, and they were suddenly quite profound and only served to confirm many of my  theories.

I would love to talk with anyone else who is at this stage in analysis and wants to further reflect via philosophical discussion.

I can be reached at: http://relentlessalarm.tumblr.com/

[Realm]

Been posted before. He's just an arrogant jerk, dodging questions in his smug arrogance. Didn't you read it all?

[pbarosso]

this crap is so full of holes. i got as far as page three and laughed. if these "elites" were really in control, and all powerful, then who is this guy? i doubt any of them would come forward, they would have no reason to, this guy "comes forward" out of ego, his delusions of wisdom help him prop up his fantasy that he is important.

if the elites worked for the "divine" then why would they need to resort to trickery and lies to keep people subjugated? wouldn't this be the exact opposite a "divine" creator would do?  this was my first clue to the bogus-ness of this crud.

[Mikko-kun]

Well if someone in the position that person claims to be, posted stuff like that, I wouldn't expect him or her to fill all the holes. I think you miss writer's point entirely if you think he or she suggests we are all under control of someone else. As far as I understood, according to him the way is not that we are under control, but that we are letting ourselves be under control.

I think that your answer about why they work as they do was answered somewhere on the halfway of that text: they're just as ignorant as you in one aspect, because they dont inherit any special powers even if they're born again in that bloodline. They only have inherited knowledge, I get the picture from that text that they can't necessarily confirm first-hand all the knowledge they inherited. It's alright, whatever the case, interesting point of view at least, no matter who wrote it or where it's coming from. This is the internet after all.

[thewatchman7]

geez,

just read that and couldnt help but laugh.

did anyone actually beleive that? he doesnt answer anyones questions, all he does is dodge and try and rationalise crap.

the worst part is him saying teslas ideas werent original.

moron...

[Ninhursag]

This Is The First Time I've Read This, I Had No Idea This Even Existed ..

Anyway, I Do Agree The OP Is Arrogant And Full Of Himself .. I Just Don't See How That Convo Could Prove That He Really Is A Memeber Of An Elite Family .. He Does Not Say Anything New IMO .. Anyone Could Have Come Up With That ..

[snadge]

Just joined the site to post this, that guy is a sham, copying off a past master, this is the original, the OP has posted a pretender,

Can't find the original postings but there is a forum topic here.

http://www.wanttokno...den_hand_081018


You can download a PDF of the original transcript here

http://gonzoj.wordpr...th-hidden-hand/



To me it is an elaborate hoax with elements of truth but expertly done...whatever you feel, this guy had style and does put some extremely elequent points across.

There may be a shred or even more of a whole truth in what he says, it is so well done and so expansive, well worth a read whatever you feel about 'bloodlines'.

Edited by snadge, 29 May 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[thewatchman7]

snadge, on 29 May 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Just joined the site to post this, that guy is a sham, copying off a past master, this is the original, the OP has posted a pretender,

Can't find the original postings but there is a forum topic here.

http://www.wanttokno...den_hand_081018


You can download a PDF of the original transcript here

http://gonzoj.wordpr...th-hidden-hand/



To me it is an elaborate hoax with elements of truth but expertly done...whatever you feel, this guy had style and does put some extremely elequent points across.

There may be a shred or even more of a whole truth in what he says, it is so well done and so expansive, well worth a read whatever you feel about 'bloodlines'.

i must have read something different.

anyone who claims to know anything others dont without any proof or back up, is neither elequent or a symptom of style.

[snadge]

thewatchman7, on 30 May 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

i must have read something different.

anyone who claims to know anything others dont without any proof or back up, is neither elequent or a symptom of style.

Having eloquence and style is not a precursor for telling the truth or having proof of knowledge without evidence.


Both are descriptions that describe the manner the information is imparted, it doesn't have to be truthful or verifiable, just expertly done.

See Priests, Politicians and con men.

Edited by snadge, 31 May 2012 - 09:04 AM.

[thewatchman7]

snadge, on 31 May 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Having eloquence and style is not a precursor for telling the truth or having proof of knowledge without evidence.


Both are descriptions that describe the manner the information is imparted, it doesn't have to be truthful or verifiable, just expertly done.

See Priests, Politicians and con men.

very good point.

i sit lazily on my couch corrected.

[RelentlessAlarm]

snadge, on 29 May 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Just joined the site to post this, that guy is a sham, copying off a past master, this is the original, the OP has posted a pretender,

The links you posted are from 2008. The thing I posted is from 2005, though I am sure there have probably been similar subjects discussed throughout history.

Again, I am not hoping to debate the legitimacy or arrogance or eloquence of the alleged Insider (again, a valid debate, just not one I am currently interested in). Setting that aside since ideas exist outside their speaker, inventor, etc., I was hoping to analyze/discuss the IDEAS put forth. It really doesn't matter if in the end they are the RIGHT ideas. If we never speculated upon our intuitions, we would never have testable hypotheses, philosophy, or science.

thewatchman7, on 29 May 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

the worst part is him saying teslas ideas werent original.

Now I am no expert on Tesla, but I seem to remember reading something once where Tesla said or implied that his knowledge was "recalled". Correct me if I am wrong. Either way, all human discovery and knowledge is probably not exactly original. Energy existed prior to human ability to harness it. If you give any credence to Platonic Epistemology, then Knowledge transcends human experience and discovery. Discovery is merely recall of certain universals. IF there are sentient beings of a sort in a higher dimension, such knowledge that Tesla discovered may be quite unoriginal. It really is simply your perspective. In terms of documented history of the modern human, yes Tesla's discoveries and inventions were original. Beyond that? Who is to say?  

Mikko-kun, on 29 May 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

Well if someone in the position that person claims to be, posted stuff like that, I wouldn't expect him or her to fill all the holes. I think you miss writer's point entirely if you think he or she suggests we are all under control of someone else. As far as I understood, according to him the way is not that we are under control, but that we are letting ourselves be under control.

Precisely how I read it as well. He gave no real answers, but planted a seed. How/if you develop the seed is probably up to the individual...

Building off the hypothesis that 1. our souls can and should exist beyond our 3D physical forms, 2. that matter is, in effect, trapping our “energy”, and 3. the only way to “escape” those potentially self-imposed confines is to learn temperance (conscience taking control over the impulsive subconscious) and to let go of ego (the selfish need to impose one’s personal will upon the world and others), then we can probably conclude that the only thing that controls us is our own lack of control/ignorance.  If you do not know you are in a cage, you will never attempt to leave it, no matter how traumatizing your experience in the cage. We can probably also conclude that those who, by Ego, choose to exert control over other souls (through war, power hierarchies, money, religion, things, etc.) are probably far from freeing themselves and therefore, bigger picture, not in control over you. The only control they hold is illusory and ephemeral.

Edited by RelentlessAlarm, 01 June 2012 - 06:14 PM.

[RelentlessAlarm]

Can you only edit once? I was going to edit the above to further state the following in response to snadge:

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The links you posted are from 2008. The thing I posted is from 2005, though I am sure there have probably been similar subjects discussed throughout history. I haven't read the pdf you posted, but I did glance over it. I don't personally find it as "helpful" as certain absolutes and fact/idea labels are given, which tends to chill attempts at personal philosophic understanding.  By that I mean, if you are told a concept as a specific fact, it leaves the door closed for personal discovery/philosophical analysis. If you present a concept as what it is, a concept/idea, it encourages a person to mull over that concept, hypothesize over that concept, and eventually either discard or adopt that concept through personal discovery.

I will have to read in total sum before I can fairly comment though.

[Abramelin]

Believe me: I am a notorious editor of my own posts.

I sometimes edit my posts up to 6 times, but it has to be done within ONE hour.

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

Relentless you should seek out a blogger Herr named dammage. You two may be able to discuss this topic more extensively. Now I'm not advocating dammages point of view just simply that it is of a similar flavor. Other than that could you pose some questions to discuss specifically? Thar might help move this discussion along further.

[RelentlessAlarm]

Thank you. I will consider contacting them. I presume it would be welcomed?

Some questions I was left pondering after reading (I have a million lol, but to start off):

If Earth is a prison of sorts and we are all part of the Divine Source, once we have succeeded and freed ourself from the alleged prison, will we become absorbed within the the One Source (losing identity/individuality - either because we cease to exist as self or because we not only remember our own life and lessons but take on those of ALL - we remember EVERYTHING) or will we be a servant to a higher divine power or will we evolve to be separate divine powers harmoniously co-existing?

Are there such concepts as time and space in the high plane/dimension? If we must answer to the One eventually, when is this eventually? Why does the Earth function in cycles? Is each cycle like a wash cycle, filtering out impurities, releasing souls who have evolved to a point of being able to exist harmoniously and thus freed?

Has our energy been curled up and shoved into another lower dimension (akin to String Theory) to protect higher beings from our cruelty and inability to harmonize? Does that mean there IS a higher dimension with sentient individuals who have social hierarchies, duties and roles much the same way humans do?  

Is visualisation somewhat self-serving? Isn’t a goal in enlightenment to cease being self-serving? Or is the point to create positive energy for the whole (becoming a nourishment rather than a parasite)? Is the key realizing you are not serving yourself, but yourself as part of the One? Do we have a duty to serve an intended purpose or is our only purpose here to learn who we are and why we are here so that we can transcend in service to all? Learning that all our suffering is a worthy sacrifice for without mistake and pain, we would not learn to avoid certain paths and stay on course. And over time we develop the tools to easily discern which paths to take in the future so as to avoid that pain (for all)?

Edited by RelentlessAlarm, 03 June 2012 - 12:50 AM.