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The search for the God Particle is over

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 03:16 PM

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Scientists will know by the end of this year whether the so-called God Particle exists and the Large Hadron Collider will be switched off, according to Rolf Heuer, the director of CERN.

The search to find the Higgs Boson is one of the greatest mysteries in science.

The theory is that the particle is responsible for creating the universe as we know it.

If it can be shown to exist, it will mean that man now fully understands the visible universe and can look further back into the origins of the Big Bang and unknown ‘dark energy’.

CERN, the European Laboratory for Particle Physics, are using the Large Hadron Collider, a 17 mile underground tunnel, to accelerate particles so they crash into one another and create the conditions where the Higgs Boson exists.

http://www.telegraph...le-is-over.html

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 05:34 PM

"If it can be shown to exist, it will mean that man now fully understands the visible universe"

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 09:23 PM

That article was horrible. I sincerely believe that some ``editorial revision'' has gone into the quotes from the LHC director. What are the mistakes here? Let me count:
  • Finding the Higg's boson almost certainly would not result in the LHC being ``switched off''. There are many, many more types of experiments that can be run at that facility. As pointed out in the article, it cost billions of dollars to build. This cost was not approved solely for research into the Higg's (although that was probably the primary reason). The LHC will almost certainly continue to operate for the next 20 years (or longer) provided valuable - but perhaps less sensational - research and discoveries.
  • Finding the Higg's boson definitely does not mean that we will ``fully understand the visible Universe''. For one (obvious) thing, the Higg's boson only provides a theoretical explanation for imbuing particles with inertial mass - it does not explain anything about gravity.
  • From the article: ``The theory is that the particle is responsible for creating the universe as we know it.''. Geeze. If by that the writers meant ``the theory is that the particle is a quantum manifestation of a scalar field that is responsible for imbuing weak nuclear force bosons with inertial mass after symmetry breaking from the joint electroweak force'' then I agree. But if you have to attribute one particle as being ``responsible for creating the universe as we know it'' then that particle is the photon (but it is obviously stupid to try to blame the entire Universe on just one particle).


In short, I hate articles like that, and I think they mislead the public.


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Posted 03 June 2012 - 02:32 AM

the god particule has a weird name o.o

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 04:55 AM

View Postsepulchrave, on 02 June 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

That article was horrible. I sincerely believe that some ``editorial revision'' has gone into the quotes from the LHC director. What are the mistakes here? Let me count:

I am happy that you wrote "editorial revision". I found it akin to "artistic freedom", mostly based on ignorance on the subject at hand.

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  • Finding the Higg's boson almost certainly would not result in the LHC being ``switched off''. There are many, many more types of experiments that can be run at that facility. As pointed out in the article, it cost billions of dollars to build. This cost was not approved solely for research into the Higg's (although that was probably the primary reason). The LHC will almost certainly continue to operate for the next 20 years (or longer) provided valuable - but perhaps less sensational - research and discoveries.

Most assuredly it will still run and I am sure that it is the key to many great future discoveries, whether the Higgs Boson is found or not.  

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  • Finding the Higg's boson definitely does not mean that we will ``fully understand the visible Universe''. For one (obvious) thing, the Higg's boson only provides a theoretical explanation for imbuing particles with inertial mass - it does not explain anything about gravity.

Nope. Frankly, I don't think we'll ever fully understand the visible Universe, but I would be quite happy if we could just unify Einstein's general theory of relativity and quantum mechanics and thereby get a better understanding of gravity and the underlying laws that governs it. But there is a looooong way to go from experimentally verifying the existence of the Higgs Boson to actually successfully merge those theories since they have a rather distinct dislike towards each others.  

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  • From the article: ``The theory is that the particle is responsible for creating the universe as we know it.''. Geeze. If by that the writers meant ``the theory is that the particle is a quantum manifestation of a scalar field that is responsible for imbuing weak nuclear force bosons with inertial mass after symmetry breaking from the joint electroweak force'' then I agree. But if you have to attribute one particle as being ``responsible for creating the universe as we know it'' then that particle is the photon (but it is obviously stupid to try to blame the entire Universe on just one particle).

Says quite a bit indeed.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 06:38 PM

the thing is they have no clue what there looking for, no one has ever seen it.  They may have already found it and called it something else without even realizing.  Or simply doesn't exist.  However as said it would be really stupid to call it quits because they havent found it.  I mean considering we've been looking for ET for what 50 years or more and we are still looking.  Just sayin :P


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Posted 03 June 2012 - 07:25 PM

For those concerned about the LHC quitting after the end of the year: read the entire article!!!
There is a scheduled upgrade that will take 2 years to complete, requiring LHC to be shut down during that time.
Then it will be up and running again with even more capabilities. So, relax.

Edited by pallidin, 03 June 2012 - 07:26 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2012 - 01:41 PM

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But if you have to attribute one particle as being ``responsible for creating the universe as we know it'' then that particle is the photon (but it is obviously stupid to try to blame the entire Universe on just one particle).

Then what can we blame?

Edited by StarMountainKid, 04 June 2012 - 01:43 PM.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 06:23 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 04 June 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Then what can we blame?
Hmmm... how about two particles? That makes it a conspiracy!


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Posted 05 June 2012 - 04:04 AM

i hate this search. what a waste of money. i'm sorry but the moment i learned what the "God Particle" was, i lost a little bit of respect for physicists. and that's a bummer because i respect physicists more than anything

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:07 PM

View PostUsefulSoul, on 05 June 2012 - 04:04 AM, said:

i'm sorry but the moment i learned what the "God Particle" was, i lost a little bit of respect for physicists.
May I ask why?


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Posted 05 June 2012 - 08:52 PM

View PostUsefulSoul, on 05 June 2012 - 04:04 AM, said:

i hate this search. what a waste of money. i'm sorry but the moment i learned what the "God Particle" was, i lost a little bit of respect for physicists. and that's a bummer because i respect physicists more than anything

Im puzzled, why?

Finally got my black belt....

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:20 PM

this shows that big-bang theorists show no bounds in proving there theory


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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:27 PM

What was 'responsible' for the Big Bang was at least one other thing reacting with the thing that we know about and are within.  The reaction caused a ripple effect.  This universe is a product of interaction causing reaction.  (((@)))

This 'at least one other thing' had to have come from OUTSIDE of the known physical universe in order to have created the initial reaction.  If it was merely a spontaneous mystical happening then such happenings would be evident throughout nature...they are not.  All happenings can be sourced to reactions.  Every other thing that has happened INCLUDING the Big Bang has been and is a REACTION to the initial action.

Edited by WilliamW, 05 June 2012 - 09:33 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:33 PM

View PostWilliamW, on 05 June 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

What was 'responsible' for the Big Bang was at least one other thing reacting with the thing that we know about and are within.  The reaction caused a ripple effect.  This universe is a product of interaction causing reaction.  (((@)))

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