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[Beckys_Mom]

eight bits, on 12 June 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

Abraham is also a specific common ancestor for the peoples being grouped by the phrase. According to legend, Adam and Noah are everybody's ancestors. So, "Adamic religions" would presumably be redudant, and so better expressed simply as "religions."

True, at least that is how it is taught.... We are all meant to be descendants of them...  Not that I believe it of course but what you post is true as in  how it is  taught ... More so in Christian teaching

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 12 June 2012 - 11:37 AM.

[Knight Of Shadows]

Yamato, on 12 June 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

I agree with you here!  I believe we're all God's children, and I don't think that contradicts my Christian upbringing.  He's Our Father, not just Jesus's.

Limiting divinity to requiring that one be a son (how about daughter too?) of God was indeed silly.   Being the messenger of God (might as well call him "son" in that case too) is pretty awesome.  Christians debated fiercely over the degree of Jesus's divinity for generations; the concept of what was "God in the flesh" also wouldn't be able to die, so I bet it was a difficult idea to grasp onto.  Other possible qualities of Jesus's divinity (birth, miracles)  certainly aren't required for Jesus to be divine.  

I think it's also worth noting here that Jesustook around three days longer to resurrect by the Bible's accounting.  

the " god in flesh " concept is already dead " based on the bible "
no offense to christians but the way i see it .. is that they wanna shift the bible words the way they want or see fit
when it's so clear in the bible jesus always deny divinity or being a god in anyway and alway put him self beneath and lower
than the entity who sent him which he refer to as father " god "
that's been always mentioned in the bible and most christians try to explain that from " out " of the bible
so the only difference between the two religion is the son concept which muslims believe is figureative speaking
and christian tend to think he's a pshyicall son which muslims would never agree to

so the topic is not really an imaginary ran wild it's very logic

[Knight Of Shadows]

MstrMsn, on 12 June 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

I have a question, and I'm not trying to start anything here....

If "God" had created everything as it says in the Bible, then why are Judaism, Christianity and Islam considered to be the Abrahamic religions, and not, say Adamic or from Noah? Just doesn't sit right with me...

because the prophets who came to those religion were all from the bloodline of ibraham

[Yamato]

Knight Of Shadows, on 12 June 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

the " god in flesh " concept is already dead " based on the bible "
no offense to christians but the way i see it .. is that they wanna shift the bible words the way they want or see fit
when it's so clear in the bible jesus always deny divinity or being a god in anyway and alway put him self beneath and lower
than the entity who sent him which he refer to as father " god "
that's been always mentioned in the bible and most christians try to explain that from " out " of the bible
so the only difference between the two religion is the son concept which muslims believe is figureative speaking
and christian tend to think he's a pshyicall son which muslims would never agree to

so the topic is not really an imaginary ran wild it's very logic

Jesus spoke of "the father, our father, my father" but perhaps these minor differences can get lost in translation over the centuries and across religions.

I certainly know Jesus didn't hog God all to himself as an only-child.   Jesus didn't say he was The Son of God, but "Son of man" sounds more like a prophet and messenger and less like a child (as a blood relative) to me.   This isn't an affront or a threat to my Christian faith.   I can keep my own, and respect yours too.  On this small issue I consider the spirituality of Jesus the man in Islam to be just as respectable as the more familial/physical/cannibalistic God in the flesh in Christianity.  Sometimes I do wonder in the middle of Communion that maybe I shouldn't be eating Him.

[Yamato]

eight bits, on 12 June 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

Adam and Noah are everybody's ancestors. So, "Adamic religions" would presumably be redudant, and so better expressed simply as "religions."

Everyone's ancestors but not everyone's belief.  What rubs us wrong I think, is that religion should be about belief before genealogical exclusion.   It's not redundant enough to just use "religions" because there are plenty of religions that don't subscribe to the beliefs, the OT's Genesis for example.

[hetrodoxly]

Knight Of Shadows, on 11 June 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

a phsyical father .. absolutely not .. neither jesus or any one else is son of god
that's my opinion

There's the rub, you believe every word of the Quran the sun resting in a muddy pond and all, Yamato's a man of straw who's willing to toss his beliefs aside on a book he's never read.

[rimbaudelaire]

MstrMsn, on 12 June 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

I do recall it mentioning something about the Abraham character actually being a Sumerian...  

I think you're referring to a book and History Channel program ("Bible Battles") featuring Prof. Richard A. Gabriel as the primary contributor. Of course, I could be wrong.

[Yamato]

hetrodoxly, on 12 June 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

There's the rub, you believe every word of the Quran the sun resting in a muddy pond and all, Yamato's a man of straw who's willing to toss his beliefs aside on a book he's never read.

You know nothing about me stranger; come down off that pedestal you feel so safe on and stop pretending you're a mystic on your way down.  The compatibility of the Qu'ran is incidental.  My "beliefs" were "tossed aside" already.

[hetrodoxly]

Yamato, on 12 June 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

You know nothing about me stranger; come down off that pedestal you feel so safe on and stop pretending you're a mystic on your way down.  The compatibility of the Qu'ran is incidental.  My "beliefs" were "tossed aside" already.

I haven't a clue what your talking about, do you?
PS where's my apology?

[Yamato]

hetrodoxly, on 13 June 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

I haven't a clue what your talking about, do you?
PS where's my apology?

If you can't find anything better to think about than me, you need to find something else to do with yourself that doesn't involve thinking.  If you genuinely can't stop talking about me, go find a quiet place to lie down and mumble to yourself, if that helps you feel better.  I have no problem with personal questions, even those uncouthly asked in public (as they surely will be) when private messaging is made available.

If you absolutely must make little ole me your big fat issue, then at least get it right.   This post is the last regrettable contact we will have together on this thread.   You swim alone in your slime from here out.  G'day to you!  

[hetrodoxly]

Yamato, on 14 June 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

If you can't find anything better to think about than me, you need to find something else to do with yourself that doesn't involve thinking.  If you genuinely can't stop talking about me, go find a quiet place to lie down and mumble to yourself, if that helps you feel better.  I have no problem with personal questions, even those uncouthly asked in public (as they surely will be) when private messaging is made available.

If you absolutely must make little ole me your big fat issue, then at least get it right.   This post is the last regrettable contact we will have together on this thread.   You swim alone in your slime from here out.  G'day to you!  

What substances are you taking?