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#136    Slave2Fate

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 07:39 PM

View Postbadeskov, on 21 June 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Now you are exhibiting another very common and very flawed trait of the not so trained UFO researcher (the gullible believer). You are lumping all sightings into one basket and get miffed if even one is questioned, let alone shown to be false or wrong. You can't do that. In fact, you should be happy that we are slowly chipping away at that basket so, with some luck, in the end we are left with only the true mysterious and unexplained rather than stubbornly holding on to it all, hoaxed or not.

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And the believers think we're doing UFOlogy a disservice? :lol:

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 07:46 PM

This show features three days spent at a UFO convention and a visit to an alien abduction group therapy session.






It also explores the psychological explanations, and the influences of popular culture, on the typical abduction story.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 01:45 AM

View PostNuke_em, on 21 June 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

*  <- It was never finished.. plus i got tired of this ufo explanation stuff... Let people have their own beliefs .. For sceptics they are words and dots and airplanes and plasma and orbs to others are aliens, UFO, alien ships , probes whatever... To me they are just pictures and videos trying to tell us a story i don't need some dude who has no relation to video or data in there saying its hoax or it isn't i'll see it for my own eyes... so far 0 credible data...
Thanks for the link.

I hope that once you calm down a bit you take some time to review and consider the information that has been given to you here.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:00 AM

View Postbadeskov, on 21 June 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

Sometimes one really wonders why some will allow themselves to discard certain parts of a story to make it fit their preconceived conclusions. I can understand those that do it to sell something, but to be so dishonest to oneself with respect to one's own beliefs is mind boggling.

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Gidday Mate!

We are indeed seeing a deliberate attempt to get people to fool themselves, I have to say, I find the method nothing short of astounding. Even a direct confession os not good enough for some, as such, it would seems that absolutely nothing is. The word UFO need only be mentioned to some believers and for some, that is proof positive.
I really wonder if such people are capable of holding down day jobs. Would they have the nerve to be so blindsided in the world of business? One would think if so, that any such companies that allow such might be very short lived.

Seeing Buzz Aldrin and The Aztec Hoax purported as genuine tantalizing mysteries is nothing short of astounding.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:13 AM

View PostNuke_em, on 21 June 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

All right lets see who is ignorant shall we?

Here is a forum with more details so i won't do classical copy&paste... good read ...


Nuke

Every single one of those posts are dated before the guy came forward. Have a quick Google, I think you might be about the only one left who has not accepted the full confession. He replicated it, and showed everyone how it was done. Many people pointed out these flaws far earlier. I do not understand why so agressive Nuke, all that matters is what is proven right?

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:32 AM

Its quite the oxy-moron ! I agree there psyche101 ~ We need to find a common ground to deal with the nuts in this world !
Maybe this is why Sir Richard Branson is fast building his space fleet ! He wants oof this world b-4 its over taken by these nut cases !

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:42 AM

View Postzoser, on 21 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Thats amazing when you say that you prefer properly sourced reports.  They could have been written by anyone!  Was the author even there?  I could drive a bus through that one Badeskov.  

What is amazing is your response Zoser. Do you realise what you have just said?

Do you know what peer review is? I think you best take a few steps back, you are not only incredibly ignorant, you seem to be going backwards here. Really, you should ask questions before asserting yourself. It is becoming painfully obvious that your interest is new and you have a great deal to catch up.

How is witness testimony more valuable than properly sourced reports?

View Postzoser, on 21 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Interesting to review what does actually constitute evidence?

That would be sound advice if only you would take it.

View Postzoser, on 21 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Trace evidence at the scene - mostly confiscated by the military.

Ohh the old Government collusion again. The get out of jail card is not as valuable as you think. If something came from space, what is to stop the rest of the world knowing that something from space landed here? You ignore the amateur contingent constantly scanning the skies and they have proven themselves time and again. How are these people being kept in the dark? And how is it that UFO crashes only happen in very remote places, not in populated places? When you are going to crash, one tends to not have much say in the landing location.

View Postzoser, on 21 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Burned or irradiated patches of earth - well fairly convincing but hardly a smoking gun.

Which you will find properly evaluated in properly sourced reports. Compositions, type of burn, even in some cases the heat required. What does a burn mark on the ground mean? Someone burned something, that is all.

View Postzoser, on 21 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Photo or video evidence - maybe but too easily hoaxed nowadays.  Perhaps photos taken in the 50's and 60's less likely to be hoaxes.

Really? Read this - LINK


Don't tell me, UFO's have a cloak to prevent photography? Why are the many sighting so poorly supported? And why do we have to go to such great lengths to shoehorn ET into a case? How many people held up the Belgian Photo as proof, and how many refused to accept the confession?

View Postzoser, on 21 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

That leaves good old witness testimony.  One or two may lie, but not hundreds and thousands.

Why can't thousand be mistaken? Are you saying that is impossible? And how many can conclusively prove that they saw an ET craft as opposed to how many think they saw an ET craft? Any? We are talking thousands over decades, and to arrive at that number you need to include every single claim of balloons, birds and meteors. There are a handful of cases that remain mysterious, and that does not mean we have to invoke Gods to explain them. It means we need to roll our sleeves up.

View Postzoser, on 21 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

PS what was the point of the video links of the Hessdalen lights?

The prosaic explanations exist, and have been studied in depth. I bet you have not read the page have you? If you read the reports, you will find a great many descriptions that match so called alien sightings. And what is being described is not alien. It is proof positive that a phenomena exists on earth that will explain many mysteries.

View Postzoser, on 21 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

PSS I'm off to London tomorrow.

Z

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:44 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 22 June 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

Its quite the oxy-moron ! I agree there psyche101 ~ We need to find a common ground to deal with the nuts in this world !
Maybe this is why Sir Richard Branson is fast building his space fleet ! He wants oof this world b-4 its over taken by these nut cases !

I could understans that motivation!

Indeed, we just need to look before we leap, it's not all that hard. Beneficial in fact.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:48 AM

I thinks I saw a few Texans in that video clip !
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:56 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 June 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

The prosaic explanations exist, and have been studied in depth. I bet you have not read the page have you? If you read the reports, you will find a great many descriptions that match so called alien sightings. And what is being described is not alien. It is proof positive that a phenomena exists on earth that will explain many mysteries.

I've noticed that a large majority of the believer crowd avoids any discussion of plasmas (or hoax confessions for that matter) like the plague. They must think that if they ignore it it will go away. That doesn't indicate to me that the truth is all that important, just the verification of their beliefs. I've never understood such behavior, especially when phrases like 'open mind' join the mix. It is anything but open minded to ignore or dismiss contrary evidence. I think that is my main reason for sticking around some of these threads, out of a morbid curiosity to see how far some will go to 'keep the dream alive'. :huh:

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:58 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 22 June 2012 - 02:56 AM, said:

I've noticed that a large majority of the believer crowd avoids any discussion of plasmas (or hoax confessions for that matter) like the plague. They must think that if they ignore it it will go away. That doesn't indicate to me that the truth is all that important, just the verification of their beliefs. I've never understood such behavior, especially when phrases like 'open mind' join the mix. It is anything but open minded to ignore or dismiss contrary evidence. I think that is my main reason for sticking around some of these threads, out of a morbid curiosity to see how far some will go to 'keep the dream alive'. :huh:


Zoser called Atmospheric Plasmas Science fiction!

I mean Good Lord. How do you have a discussion on those terms?

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 03:04 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 June 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

Zoser called Atmospheric Plasmas Science fiction!

I mean Good Lord. How do you have a discussion on those terms?

Patience, and a will to educate. I have neither though. I've used it all up on my own kids. :P

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 03:24 AM

This is why they are hidding the results of the Higgs Boson particle !
THey found out it tells the secret of the universe,and that secret is









you guessed it 42

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 03:43 AM

For me the funniest thing is..

40's to the 60's UFO's were flying discs.. which was the fad in the scifi movies..

but of course. .after Close encounters of the third kind.. UFO's would flash different colours

then things evolved into flying wedges etc.. boomerangs.. very.. stealth bomberish in shape..


I remember watching a show.. cant remember if it was earlier this year or last year.. was a aussie one where this comedian went to UFO conventions with pics he took himself off stuff he threw around.. taking off the hip shots.. and no one person at the convention.. including the 'experts' said they were faked..

He also did a ufo fake thing in melbourne I think it was.. where they did radio controlled balloons with lights.. and let it fly around for awhile.. and guess what.. UFO reports .. video footage.. and OMG.. someone had contact with the alien ship (his balloon with lights)

zoser.. there is no such thing as credible testimonies because people are gullible.. lie.. or not very observant.. they will change what they thought they saw to match with what others are saying..


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 04:20 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 22 June 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:

Patience, and a will to educate. I have neither though. I've used it all up on my own kids. :P

I actually have been trying that, it does not seem to be working......................

It seems to get me more insults than results.

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