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#4156    bee

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:17 AM

View Postodiesbsc, on 11 November 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:17 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 11 November 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

[...] and I'm currently thinking that it may have been a tractor or something similar on the field just this side of the hill.
Yeap, pretty much my thoughts as well...

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:39 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 11 November 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

Didn't you say that you were a math teacher?  What do you teach your students with?

Objective proof; i.e the use of algebra to prove hypotheses and general cases.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:44 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 12 November 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

Yeap, pretty much my thoughts as well...

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Nice graphics :tu:

Couple of slight problems though:

I've never seen tractor lights like that.  Remember the witnesses reported a spinning object, as did Morag from wee Fraserburgh.

I know people are reluctant to mix the two cases, but I think this is the same phenomena.

Also 3am for a tractor on 3rd Jan (middle of winter in Wales) is just plain ridiculous.  Farmers just have no need to do that at those ungodly hours.  So not impossible but:

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ps those flashing graphics are playing havoc with my 11 year old Toshiba Pentium 4 :cry:

Edited by zoser, 12 November 2012 - 05:46 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:48 PM

View Postzoser, on 12 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Nice graphics :tu:

Couple of slight problems though:

I've never seen tractor lights like that.  Remember the witnesses reported a spinning object, as did Morag from wee Fraserburgh.

I know people are reluctant to mix the two cases, but I think this is the same phenomena.

Also 3am for a tractor on 3rd Jan (middle of winter in Wales) is just plain ridiculous.  Farmers just have no need to to that at those ungodly hours.  So not impossible but:

p < 0.01
I thought 1963? had determined the golf course could be the source of tractor lights.  Something was mentioned about grounds maintenance being performed at night...or at least the possibility thereof.
Edit to add:  See post #4150.

Edited by synchronomy, 12 November 2012 - 05:49 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:49 PM

View Postzoser, on 12 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Nice graphics :tu:

Couple of slight problems though:

I've never seen tractor lights like that.  Remember the witnesses reported a spinning object, as did Morag from wee Fraserburgh.

I know people are reluctant to mix the two cases, but I think this is the same phenomena.

Also 3am for a tractor on 3rd Jan (middle of winter in Wales) is just plain ridiculous.  Farmers just have no need to do that at those ungodly hours.  So not impossible but:


Doesn't necessraily have to be a Tractor, just something on the distant hillside. And Tractors often have all sorts of floodlights for working at night. Although yes, they're much more likely to work round the clock on a big arable farm than on a Welsh hillside, it is true; but then, the Sheep might have had something needing doing to them. Sheep often do, I find.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:51 PM

View Post1963, on 11 November 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:


Zoser, it was me that posted that video you turnip!....

Cheers .

Which post are you referring to?  I respect your experience but I can't see how anyone can take the two cases and treat them as unrelated when the video clips show virtually the same phenomena.  Please explain.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:18 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 12 November 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

I thought 1963? had determined the golf course could be the source of tractor lights.  Something was mentioned about grounds maintenance being performed at night...or at least the possibility thereof.
Edit to add:  See post #4150.

I respect people's attempts to solve this one, but so far nothing has been the slightest bit convincing nor do the options take into account the reality of that environment at that time of year.

This is a sleepy village in North Wales, not London or LA where people have unpredictable social or working habits.  

Also I know I keep repeating myself, but the case has to be linked in with Fraserburgh if any satisfactory answer is to be found.  I doubt that one will be found.   Don't forget that Morag wasn't the only one to see the lights up there if you read her testimony.

So any explanation involving golf clubs has to be offered to the Fraserburgh case as well.

I cannot see how this one can be solved in conventional terms.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

View Postzoser, on 12 November 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

I respect people's attempts to solve this one, but so far nothing has been the slightest bit convincing nor do the options take into account the reality of that environment at that time of year.

This is a sleepy village in North Wales, not London or LA where people have unpredictable social or working habits.  

Also I know I keep repeating myself, but the case has to be linked in with Fraserburgh if any satisfactory answer is to be found.  I doubt that one will be found.   Don't forget that Morag wasn't the only one to see the lights up there if you read her testimony.

So any explanation involving golf clubs has to be offered to the Fraserburgh case as well.

I cannot see how this one can be solved in conventional terms.
So a UFO, whatever a UFO might be, is necessarily more likely? :unsure2:
Why are the parallels with the adventures of Morag and he rno-good husband so convincing? So far as I've been able to tell from all the Testimony, they both just reported lights, didn't they?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:01 PM

View Postzoser, on 12 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Nice graphics :tu:

Couple of slight problems though:

I've never seen tractor lights like that.  Remember the witnesses reported a spinning object, as did Morag from wee Fraserburgh.

I know people are reluctant to mix the two cases, but I think this is the same phenomena.

Also 3am for a tractor on 3rd Jan (middle of winter in Wales) is just plain ridiculous.  Farmers just have no need to do that at those ungodly hours.  So not impossible but:

p < 0.01
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You probably missed Boon's "or something similar". And as 747 said: "Doesn't necessraily have to be a Tractor, just something on the distant hillside".


View Postzoser, on 12 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

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ps those flashing graphics are playing havoc with my 11 year old Toshiba Pentium 4 :cry:
Sorry.

he he he... more flashlights...

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:25 PM

View Post747400, on 12 November 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

So a UFO, whatever a UFO might be, is necessarily more likely? :unsure2:
Why are the parallels with the adventures of Morag and he rno-good husband so convincing? So far as I've been able to tell from all the Testimony, they both just reported lights, didn't they?

I know the existence of ET UFO's may be a bitter pill to swallow here (notwithstanding that this is a UFO Forum :blush: ), but absolutely yes it's more likely.

Why do I say that?  The lights follow the pattern of typical UFO reports over the last 70 years that's why.

Flashing, incandescent, rotating, hovering, silent, in a way not resembling anything man made.  It's really simple.  Why should they not be here?  How can they not be?

Morag et al reported lights and has the footage to prove it.  I think people are making this all far too complicated.  Maybe I should stop bringing these cases up and just let people have a happy life?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

View Postzoser, on 12 November 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Maybe I should stop bringing these cases up and just let people have a happy life?

Posting them or not, it's not going to change minds around here, so you're swimming in quicksand.  If you stopped and came back in two months, the UFO forum would look exactly the same.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:35 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 12 November 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Posting them or not, it's not going to change minds around here, so you're swimming in quicksand.  If you stopped and came back in two months, the UFO forum would look exactly the same.

Yes I realise that; old soldiers never die.  Ah well.  Got some more footage anyway.  BRB in about 15 minutes.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:49 PM

View Postzoser, on 12 November 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Yes I realise that; old soldiers never die.  Ah well.  Got some more footage anyway.  BRB in about 15 minutes.
Even old soldiers die. That is called reality.



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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:49 PM

View Postzoser, on 12 November 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Yes I realise that; old soldiers never die.  Ah well.  Got some more footage anyway.  BRB in about 15 minutes.

Skyeagle finally came around and stopped bothering with UFOs, but he simply changed subjects, LOL.  I think it's an addiction for some.

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