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#4426    synchronomy

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:43 PM

View Postzoser, on 25 November 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:



Not deliberately may I add; just my unorthodox nature.  Now what did you say?
How about a little comic relief.
This must be an ET because it has never been positively identified, however, he appears every time humans attempt to apply logic to unexplained phenomena.
I must admit he is better looking than my avatar.
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Edited by synchronomy, 25 November 2012 - 05:44 PM.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

Just thought I would share a detail with you that I missed earlier.  Not sure if anyone else spotted it.  On this clip towards the end, the underneath of the craft is illuminated.  The row of 4 lights in an arc is clearly visible.  This doesn't tend to show up in a some of the other footage:
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Compare with:


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I believe this is real.

Edited by zoser, 25 November 2012 - 05:53 PM.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:06 PM

View Postzoser, on 25 November 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

Just thought I would share a detail with you that I missed earlier.  Not sure if anyone else spotted it.  On this clip towards the end, the underneath of the craft is illuminated.  The row of 4 lights in an arc is clearly visible.  This doesn't tend to show up in a some of the other footage:
Ships often have a bathroom located one deck below the bridge.
One of the bridge crew went for a pee and turned the lights on.

There, I just presented you with a plausible explanation which I believe MAY be more likely than the ETH. :clap:

edited for spelling

Edited by synchronomy, 25 November 2012 - 06:07 PM.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:30 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 25 November 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

Ships often have a bathroom located one deck below the bridge.
One of the bridge crew went for a pee and turned the lights on.

There, I just presented you with a plausible explanation which I believe MAY be more likely than the ETH. :clap:

edited for spelling

I know I've attempted to make comparisons before, but look again at the Yuma footage (Arizona) and compare it to the underside lights:

Yuma (AZ)

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This Cannot be a coincidence surely?

The point is Synch that the footage differs in detail slightly; why the underside is lit on some frames and not others I cannot say,  To me it only lends credence.

Towards the very end of the clip the camera zooms out and the top part of the hull fades out and only the bottom few lights are visible.  Presumably because the only illumination on the top part is because of the moon.  That could explain why the upper part of the craft is not visible in Yuma, Frazerburgh or Denbigh.



Edited by zoser, 25 November 2012 - 06:35 PM.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

View Postzoser, on 25 November 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

I know I've attempted to make comparisons before, but look again at the Yuma footage (Arizona) and compare it to the underside lights:


This Cannot be a coincidence surely?

The point is Synch that the footage differs in detail slightly; why the underside is lit on some frames and not others I cannot say,  To me it only lends credence.
I respect your viewpoint and I agree there are similarities in the images.
However I cannot agree with your statement, "This Cannot be a coincidence surely?"

I believe it would not be an exaggeration on my part to state that there are likely millions of situations worldwide where there are manmade lights which appear in rows forming an arc.  My speculation is that it is far more likely that the similarities of the image are coincidence as opposed to being a definate indication that they are caused by the same or similar light source, particularly when it is deemed to be from an ETV.
I have always believed, that if ETV's are patrolling our atmosphere, it would be extremely unlikely that it would be done with lights blazing.
If ETV's can navigate the vastness of space it would seem unlikely that they would require lights either to view the Earths surface, or to be seen by others of their own kind.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 25 November 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:



I have always believed, that if ETV's are patrolling our atmosphere, it would be extremely unlikely that it would be done with lights blazing.


What if they are an essential part of the craft's propulsion system?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:55 PM

I love the way you craftily avoid anything and everything prosaic to focus on the mysterious zoser.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:14 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 25 November 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:



I believe it would not be an exaggeration on my part to state that there are likely millions of situations worldwide where there are manmade lights which appear in rows forming an arc.  My speculation is that it is far more likely that the similarities of the image are coincidence as opposed to being a definate indication that they are caused by the same or similar light source, particularly when it is deemed to be from an ETV.
I have always believed, that if ETV's are patrolling our atmosphere, it would be extremely unlikely that it would be done with lights blazing.
If ETV's can navigate the vastness of space it would seem unlikely that they would require lights either to view the Earths surface, or to be seen by others of their own kind.
That's assuming that they [any hypothetical extra Terrestrials] want to skulk about secretively & furtively, that they're up to no good. If, however, they're just doing like we're doing on mars right now, but perhaps on a slightly bigger scale, they wouldn't necessarily want to be secretive, or Furtive. They may not be bothered one way or the other if the natives do take retaliatory action at them now and again, since they'd probably know there'd be very little chance of any significant damage being done, or at worst they might just lose a drone or two, which they could probably live with. besides, one theory which has been expressed before is that the lights might be some side-effect of the propulsion system, just like the afterburners on a terrestrial Jet.

Or they might just be safety conscious and want to avoid collisions with aircraft.

These are all just hypothetical musing, i wish to re emphasise.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:29 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 25 November 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

I love the way you craftily avoid anything and everything prosaic to focus on the mysterious zoser.

Examples?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

View Postzoser, on 25 November 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

What if they are an essential part of the craft's propulsion system?
Point taken, although I still consider that unlikely.
As I said in an earlier post, it is incomprehensible to me that ETV's would be sitting in an illuminated cockpit.  Interior illumination interferes a great deal with the occupants ability to see out.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:42 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 25 November 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Point taken, although I still consider that unlikely.
As I said in an earlier post, it is incomprehensible to me that ETV's would be sitting in an illuminated cockpit.  Interior illumination interferes a great deal with the occupants ability to see out.
but whyever would they need to see out? The surely wouldn't navigate visually, would they? I expect they wouldn't be flown manually at all, in fact they probably wouldn't need pilots at all.
I know, that then raises the question of why they'd have windows at all, which is a fair questiom, which leads me back to the suggestion that they're not windows, but are some other part of the structure associcated with the functioning of the Craft.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

- Philip K. Dick.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:48 PM

View Post747400, on 25 November 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

but whyever would they need to see out? The surely wouldn't navigate visually, would they? I expect they wouldn't be flown manually at all, in fact they probably wouldn't need pilots at all.
I know, that then raises the question of why they'd have windows at all, which is a fair questiom, which leads me back to the suggestion that they're not windows, but are some other part of the structure associcated with the functioning of the Craft.

Yes I think that Synch is thinking far too much in conventional human terms.  We just don't know how or why they operate their craft or anything for that matter.

I do agree that illumination makes them vulnerable to attack and if there is one thing that they must have learned about humans it's that they have dangerous toys and a ruthless nature when they see things they want to get their hands on.

The answer has to be that it's their propulsion system at work.

Edited by zoser, 25 November 2012 - 07:49 PM.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

View Postzoser, on 25 November 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

Examples?

This thread is full of examples.  You avoid answering direct questions and addressing specific points.  Your quotation of a single sentence in Synch's post 4430 is just the latest example of such behavior.  You completely ignored everything else he had said about there being millions of situations worldwide where man made lights appear in arcs.

You respond to Chrlzs' points and questions in post 4392 with a dismissive "Chris this is just a waste of a post.  It offers nothing."  and continue by hand waving away his comments in posts 4399 and 4402.  Then came my post 4406 which you didn't even bother to respond to a single portion of...

Sometimes attempting to discuss these cases with you is much like trying to talk to a child who puts their hands over their ears and blabbers "la la la la la la la" in an effort to drown out whatever you're telling them that they don't want to hear.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:03 PM

View Postzoser, on 25 November 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Yes I think that Synch is thinking far too much in conventional human terms.  We just don't know how or why they operate their craft or anything for that matter.

I do agree that illumination makes them vulnerable to attack and if there is one thing that they must have learned about humans it's that they have dangerous toys and a ruthless nature when they see things they want to get their hands on.

Who is "they" and how do you know that it is a "craft" the likes of which you are describing?  Why would you decide to dismiss conventional explanations out of hand and not give them any consideration at all?



View Postzoser, on 25 November 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

The answer has to be that it's their propulsion system at work.

Why does the answer have to be that?  You can think of no other purpose for lights?  Like, oh I dunno...  illumination perhaps?   Posted Image  Pretty far fetched, I know...  crazy to even consider eh?  Silly me...


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:04 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 25 November 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

This thread is full of examples.  You avoid answering direct questions and addressing specific points.  Your quotation of a single sentence in Synch's post 4430 is just the latest example of such behavior.  You completely ignored everything else he had said about there being millions of situations worldwide where man made lights appear in arcs.

You respond to Chrlzs' points and questions in post 4392 with a dismissive "Chris this is just a waste of a post.  It offers nothing."  and continue by hand waving away his comments in posts 4399 and 4402.  Then came my post 4406 which you didn't even bother to respond to a single portion of...

Sometimes attempting to discuss these cases with you is much like trying to talk to a child who puts their hands over their ears and blabbers "la la la la la la la" in an effort to drown out whatever you're telling them that they don't want to hear.

Just excited with the case I suppose; nothing intentional I can assure you.  What do you make of the under lights in 4429 and the comparison with Yuma?

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