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#91    TheMcGuffin

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 09:26 PM

View Postzoser, on 19 June 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Here is another well documented UFO wave, this time Wytheville VA and it occurred in the late 1980's.  The clip is less than 20 minutes long and tells the story of Danny Gordon a radio news reporter who became involved in some local UFO sightings.  He has photographic evidence, and testifies to intimidation by unkown authorities which includes threats to his life and family members.  Similar in some respects to the Hudson Valley wave.  Enjoy.


These are some of the pictures they got.

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Not too distinct, and I can't claim to be any great expert on photography, but the witnesses reported that the lights seemed to change shape.

He did have that recording from a retired military intelligence officer, threatening him and his family, which was certainly disturbing, and the visits from the fake reporters. Pretending to be journalists and researchers is commonplace for intelligence officers, although they aren't supposed to do that in the U.S..

Strange contacts wit the Pentagon as well, telling him that these UFOs were not theirs but that they really existed and were nothing threatening--nothing to be concerned about.  It's true that they have never denied that UFOs really existed, only that they were a threat to national security.  Clearly they didn't want this story publicized, and my impression is that they knew exactly what these UFOs were.  My guess is that this was something being tested at the nearby base, and that it was unconventional.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:51 PM

View Post747400, on 19 June 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

because i very much doubt they could possibly fly in earth gravity.  And if they did, they'd surely do it somewhre nice and private, on all that government owned land there is. Not necessarily for secrecy, like with military experiments, but just so that they could do it in a controlled environment. Like with the Lunar Lander test vehicles, they didn't try to fly the Landers themselves,
http://en.wikipedia....ronaut_training
i very much doubt that they'd have ever been allowed outside the confines of Houston or Edwards AFB, and very wisely too. It'd be just the same with any unmanned probe, in fact, even more so, since they weren't designed to be "flown" as such, just to carry out a pre-programmed mission profile.

LOL, if they were exactly the same, the landers would never land on the moon! The trust would send them back into space! Of course there were earth models, but they were essentially lunar landers weren't they? Were we not describing physical characteristics as opposed to performance characteristics? Perhaps I went of on my own tangent! If I did, sorry about that! I am not sure if you are aware of it, but Captain McAndrew of Rowell reports fame confirmed that a Bell Helicopter was carrying around a Lunar Lander at the Northern end of White Sands that very day. Seems rather a strong coincidence to me.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:53 PM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 19 June 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

My impression is that he was a very career-minded, "go along and get along" guy, who wasn't going to rock the boat.  Not an original thinker, not even particularly imaginative, but a competent middle manager who followed instructions.  That's why he lasted in that Blue Book job longer than any other director.  He was not like Edward Ruppelt, who wrote a book and told too many tales out of school, or even Col. Robert Friend, who talked about cases that he simply couldn't explain and later appeared in UFO documentaries and TV programs, talking about contacts with aliens and things like that.

That sounds like a more than reasonable evaluation, I'd agree with that.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:59 PM

View Postquillius, on 19 June 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Hey Psyche,

I think you make a very valid observation here as to the why Quintanilla was selected....it certainly makes some sense IMO.
Although to say he was methodical may be a stretch, I say this simply because he never showed this charachteristic from what I have seen/read so far.

You mention Portage County, a prime example of a very lacklustre effort in investigating and an even worse 'explanation', has got me thinking though, the explanation was so ludicrous, is it possible that this was the intention?


Gidday Mate

I think McG hit the nail pretty squarely on the head with that one, he (Quintanilla) was not very imaginative, and that really made him a square peg in a round hole. I think he was methodical, Venus showed up more than once as an "explanation" which I feel indicates that he may well have had a catalogue of "ready answers" he just needed to make the claims fot the criteria, and bam, answer ready. It woud explain Portage county i.e. lights in sky, light from X direction, light intensity was X, = Venus. No more required, but as we a know, nothing is as easy as 1+1=2 where UFO's are concerned. That I think was his downfall, I feel in a perfect world, his methodology would have been more valuable.

Edited by psyche101, 20 June 2012 - 12:00 AM.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:10 PM

The Tantalising Testimonies continue.  Texas December 2007 and Ricky Sorrels is out in the woods and has a close encounter.  He stands underneath the craft for approximately 3 mins and is able to see it in detail.  I'm sure the clip mentions that he has a scoped rifle with him, but not sure if he used it to get a closer look.  He described the craft as massive.  Only a short clip this time.



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Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:14 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 19 June 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Gidday Mate

I think McG hit the nail pretty squarely on the head with that one, he (Quintanilla) was not very imaginative, and that really made him a square peg in a round hole. I think he was methodical, Venus showed up more than once as an "explanation" which I feel indicates that he may well have had a catalogue of "ready answers" he just needed to make the claims fot the criteria, and bam, answer ready. It woud explain Portage county i.e. lights in sky, light from X direction, light intensity was X, = Venus. No more required, but as we a know, nothing is as easy as 1+1=2 where UFO's are concerned. That I think was his downfall, I feel in a perfect world, his methodology would have been more valuable.

Gidday mate, yes I think you and McG maybe right in your evaluation of Major Quintanilla.


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:26 PM

View Postquillius, on 20 June 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Gidday mate, yes I think you and McG maybe right in your evaluation of Major Quintanilla.

Like I mentioned in another thread, Dr. Hynek didn't even report to him, but rather to the base commander.  In 1964-66, for example, the commander of Wright-Patterson was Gen. Arthur Exon, who was well-known to UFO researchers and also a good friend of Hynek's.

This is just more proof that other UFO investigations were going on besides Blue Book, and that they were much larger and more classified.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:34 PM

View PostHazzard, on 16 June 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Lonnie Zamora famous UFO story a hoax?

http://ufocon.blogsp...amous-1964.html

Man all your comments are aggressive and not rich in any other way than negative... You will believe only if UFO will land in your backyard... And naturally it is a hoax, all 38 million encounters from modern history are hoaxs and pranks, even thou you weren't there you will believe someone elses word that they were pranks & hoaxes but the wittness's who saw entire events are dissmissed. Fascinating way of thinking you have there...Thats why i am barely opening this site... forum made for disscusions is made for supression we don't need your government to explain we have scientist like you who can..  Fight fire with fire..

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:07 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 20 June 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Man all your comments are aggressive and not rich in any other way than negative... You will believe only if UFO will land in your backyard... And naturally it is a hoax, all 38 million encounters from modern history are hoaxs and pranks, even thou you weren't there you will believe someone elses word that they were pranks & hoaxes but the wittness's who saw entire events are dissmissed. Fascinating way of thinking you have there...Thats why i am barely opening this site... forum made for disscusions is made for supression we don't need your government to explain we have scientist like you who can..  Fight fire with fire..


Sorry for the wake-up call, but not all pictures and youtube videos of UFOs are alien starships. :rolleyes:



“Belgian UFO” Photo A Hoax.

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http://www.realityun...gle-ufo-a-fake/

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:12 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 20 June 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Man all your comments are aggressive and not rich in any other way than negative... You will believe only if UFO will land in your backyard... And naturally it is a hoax, all 38 million encounters from modern history are hoaxs and pranks, even thou you weren't there you will believe someone elses word that they were pranks & hoaxes but the wittness's who saw entire events are dissmissed. Fascinating way of thinking you have there...Thats why i am barely opening this site... forum made for disscusions is made for supression we don't need your government to explain we have scientist like you who can..  Fight fire with fire..

Here again, I think the best response to a guy who knows what he knows is just to thank him and move on.  Let him be right.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:45 PM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 20 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

Here again, I think the best response to a guy who knows what he knows is just to thank him and move on.  Let him be right.


Here is my respons to that wonderful tactic of yours,...



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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:05 PM

Ok guys, enough's enough with the pictorial rebuttals. Some people will come to conclusions based on more subjective means, others will want very strong objective evidence before concluding anything....this is just the way it is. Let's agree to disagree and move back on to looking at the available evidence, ok?

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:29 PM

View PostHazzard, on 20 June 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Sorry for the wake-up call, but not all pictures and youtube videos of UFOs are alien starships. :rolleyes:



“Belgian UFO” Photo A Hoax.

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http://www.realityun...gle-ufo-a-fake/

What makes you say it's a Hoax?

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:31 PM

View Postzoser, on 20 June 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

What makes you say it's a Hoax?
Oh I dunno... maybe because the guy who snapped the photo admitted to it being a hoax?

Tough sell around here, I know...  :rolleyes:


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:14 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 20 June 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Oh I dunno... maybe because the guy who snapped the photo admitted to it being a hoax?

Tough sell around here, I know...  :rolleyes:

Any photo could be a hoax, and I don't know how others feel but my view has always been to rely on testimony.  That Belgian photo real or not makes zero impact on the credibility of the case.  We have testimonies from the Belgian Air Force both in the air and on the ground, a variety of police officers and members of the public over a wide area and over a period of time.  A hoax picture?  Maybe, maybe not but either way it makes not a jot of difference.  Boo you must really know this surely?

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