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[bmk1245]

zoser, on 10 June 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

One of the  problems with science as we know it today is that it sold it's soul to economics years ago.  A good example to look at is how J P Morgan refused to invest in Tesla's ideas because it meant that he would not be able to capitalise on it.   Also science is turning in ever decreasing circles trying to discover more about what it already knows (e.g spending billions on particle accelerators to no end).  I see little evidence that it is making a determined effort to discover new.  Surely as a lover of science you should know all this?
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Gosh... Thats sooooo retarded...

[badeskov]

zoser, on 10 June 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

One of the  problems with science as we know it today is that it sold it's soul to economics years ago.

With all due respect, but the reason for the lack of quality in your socalled research is becoming rather obvious. Just because you find that some sinister motives behind the funding of research doesn't mean that you yourself should abandon the scientific methodology. But I am guessing that using the scientific methodology eliminates those cases you find so intriguing.  

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A good example to look at is how J P Morgan refused to invest in Tesla's ideas because it meant that he would not be able to capitalise on it.  

No wonder. You of course have to find the right venue for your sources of funds. Nothing sinister in that at all, pretty basic thinking, actually. You wouldn't go to Alaskan Fur Company to get money to ban furs either, would you? If Tesla's idea was really so revolutionary others would have had no issue in funding him.

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Also science is turning in ever decreasing circles trying to discover more about what it already knows (e.g spending billions on particle accelerators to no end).  I see little evidence that it is making a determined effort to discover new.

Your lack of knowledge of the scientific method, science in general, how it works, why it works like it does and what it actually accomplishes is becoming blatantly obvious. Please explain then why you think the currently knowledge we have gained from particle accelerators is enough. Don't you think it would be good to verify whether the Higgs Boson exists or not? Maybe learn how quantum mechanics can be merged with Einstein's General theory of Relativity to yield a theory of quantum gravity? Please also explain how you think science should operate.  

Frankly, it is said particle accelerators and the science produced with them that enables you to write such gibberish on your computer. But maybe you should return your computer and go back to pencil and paper. It seems like you want to reap the benefits of science while still renouncing it because it also removes your dreams of ET.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[zoser]

badeskov, on 10 June 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

With all due respect, but the reason for the lack of quality in your socalled research is becoming rather obvious. Just because you find that some sinister motives behind the funding of research doesn't mean that you yourself should abandon the scientific methodology. But I am guessing that using the scientific methodology eliminates those cases you find so intriguing.  



No wonder. You of course have to find the right venue for your sources of funds. Nothing sinister in that at all, pretty basic thinking, actually. You wouldn't go to Alaskan Fur Company to get money to ban furs either, would you? If Tesla's idea was really so revolutionary others would have had no issue in funding him.




Your lack of knowledge of the scientific method, science in general, how it works, why it works like it does and what it actually accomplishes is becoming blatantly obvious. Please explain then why you think the currently knowledge we have gained from particle accelerators is enough. Don't you think it would be good to verify whether the Higgs Boson exists or not? Maybe learn how quantum mechanics can be merged with Einstein's General theory of Relativity to yield a theory of quantum gravity? Please also explain how you think science should operate.  

Frankly, it is said particle accelerators and the science produced with them that enables you to write such gibberish on your computer. But maybe you should return your computer and go back to pencil and paper. It seems like you want to reap the benefits of science while still renouncing it because it also removes your dreams of ET.

Cheers,
Badeskov

OK

[Archimedes]

Particle accelerators have been one of the most important tools in the most amazing scientific revolution of all time - quantum physics.

Quantum physics allows us to understand nature at a fundamental level, to explain chemistry on an atomic level, and thus to fundamentally understand the building blocks of nature and life itself.

Quantum physics is responsible for allowing us to have marvellous medical tools like MRI scans and PET scans.

If nuclear fusion ever gets off the ground as a viable source of energy, it will be because of our understand of nuclear physics that comes from particle accelerators.

But it's easier to remain ignorant of all this and b**** about scientists and their multibillion dollar useless toys and institutions.

The likes of NASA and CERN are to be cherished and promoted, but they are the regular subjects of abuse and tirades from those who don't understand them or like what they have to say.

[DBunker]

zoser, on 10 June 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

One of the  problems with science as we know it today is that it sold it's soul to economics years ago.  A good example to look at is how J P Morgan refused to invest in Tesla's ideas because it meant that he would not be able to capitalise on it.   Also science is turning in ever decreasing circles trying to discover more about what it already knows (e.g spending billions on particle accelerators to no end).  I see little evidence that it is making a determined effort to discover new.  Surely as a lover of science you should know all this?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

JimOberg, on 08 June 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

You're trying too hard to NOT understand. People in the Middle East saw a Russian missile flying hundreds of miles above Kazakhstan. They just misjudged its distance. This happens all the time with UFO reports, you know. This is an example that can teach us about that.

We know the apparition was NE of observers in the Middle East, because even observers in the Caucasus saw it in the northeastern sky -- NOT south of them over the Middle East.

I was going to say, I'm not sure if someone sending a rocket anywhere near Israeli airspace would have altogether been the most sensible thing to do ...

[AlienDan]

zoser, on 09 June 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

I've watched the videos all the way through and I see no spiral effect.  Sorry

There isnt supposed to be. But if you do some googling, you'll see that these rockets do all kinds of maneuvers and make all kinds of shapes. The point is, before the object spirals, it's got that long "tunnel" trail, then shutsoff/disappears/warm hole/w.e you want to call it, then the second stage appears again. It's behaving and looking EXACTLY the same just without spiraling.

More:


https://www.google.c...CBc6-2AXN0PCcDw

Here's an analogy:

Someone throws a frizbee "OH look! a frizbee!"

Then someone throws a frizbee, but it's spinning horizontally, like a coin spiining on a table "OH LOOK A UFO!"

Looks like a frizbee, shaped like a frizbee, just making a differant maneuver - STILL a frizbee.

Edited by AlienDan, 11 June 2012 - 07:39 AM.

[zoser]

What then have particle accelerators actually given us?

Edited by zoser, 11 June 2012 - 05:17 PM.

[bmk1245]

zoser, on 11 June 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

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Have they given us UFO type technology; erm no.
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Wanna UFO type technology? Here yea go



Additional extra offer -  iPad 42 (might cause splinters if not used carefully).

[Amerix]

I have an Israeli friend who I asked about this.  He hadn't heard about it.  Was chatting with him a little earlier and everyone he brought it up to hadn't heard anything about it either.  I doubt this raised any havoc in Israel..

But yes, it has the same characteristics as the Norway spiral from the failed Russian missile test..

[Archimedes]

zoser, on 11 June 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

What then have particle accelerators actually given us?

Read this:

ftp://ftp-visualmedia.fnal.gov/pub/jared_sandbox/AcceleratorsFactSheet_102309_Final.pdf

As for what have the big-ass colliders like those at CERN and Fermilab given us? They are and have given physicists fundamental understanding into the very fabric of reality, a worthy cause unto itself, and knowledge that will fuel the next generation of technological advances. Like I already said, they are a vital and important tool in quantum physics research.

You want UFO type technology?  How on earth are scientists supposed to achieve that without the kind of fundamental research involving the likes of the Tevatron and the LHC?  Faster than light spacecraft, star trek teleporters, cloaking technology, or whatever weird and wonderful things might happen in the future is only going to happen because money is poured into serious research projects like these.

BTW, the cathode ray tube in the TVs and computer monitors now replaced by flat panel displays are particle accelerators.

[DingoLingo]

ok zoser.. what has the partical accelerator given us..

A better understanding of quantum physics and quantum mechanics..

and what have these done for us..

on that.. the major important product of the 20th and 21st century.. the transistor.. without the transistor.. there would be no computer.. radio as we have today.. no television.. etc etc etc..

there is a number of other things that have been invented along with this.. but to be honest.. the transistor is the most important that has affected our lives..

I hope that answers your question..

[Mikenator]

This the short video theres a longer silent one of jus it where its flying with a big force pushing it then it slows down then performs the spiral blast and fazes out

[DONTEATUS]

I bet theres gonna be a run on pencils and sharpners now !
Nah ! I always hated those things such a mess !
BUt at least you can buy the paper and make  Alien reincarnate Airships and test fly them in your own living rooms and Invite "Gerigo Teskholoscus" Or how ever the #@Ll you pronounce his name?

[WhyDontYouBeliEveMe]

Falael, on 10 June 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Sorry Alien lovers, this is confirmed to be a "Bulava R-30 Russia's most advanced generation of intercontinental ballistic missiles".
http://www.voltairen...Russia-displays

so you are telling us that the russian .. are testing their missiles all over the world?  and none of the missiles . crashed?  those missiles just vanished in the air? and the test is what... above populated area's?  which means those missiles are just shells?     you think that sounds logic? sometimes the most simple answer is the right one.. = UFO