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[The Silver Thong]

braveone2u, on 12 July 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

Have you actually died, not just a NDE?? Well, come back again and tell us all about it...and we'll compare notes. Sounds fair?

If I actually died would I be here...  I drowned and was brought back after 20 min under water. I guess god didn`t open the tunnel and I must be special.

braveone2u, on 12 July 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

The core of religion hasn't changed since the day one. There's a reason for that.

Hit the nail on the head. To control people. Glad you pointed that out.

[Bluefinger]

The Silver Thong, on 12 July 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

What a long ranting post to try to state your beliefe is right. Take a second to think they are all wrong and man made for agenda. If god was about the human race he would be able to show he was about the human race. He has failed in every possible way.

sorry ment for Bluefinger

There was a lot to glean from my response Silver.  It goes to show how antagonistic your mind is, especially toward Christianity.

Has God failed in every possible way or has God just not done things the way you would have?  Beside all of that, there is an exegesis to each Biblical text that is just as important as the what the text says.  If you rule out the audience, author, and historical context of the writing (especially after much scholarly research), then it shows that you are no fan truth, but instead am content to insert your own worldview into a text whose social agenda is completely different.  No wonder you think God has failed:  You don't even know enough about the text to know what constitutes a success for it.

You have set the bar unrealistically high and have scolded others for not reaching it.  It was that kind of practice that caused me to even question the religious establishment I grew up in.  I am glad I am free from that kind of oppression.

Edited by Bluefinger, 12 July 2012 - 04:49 AM.

[braveone2u]

The Silver Thong, on 12 July 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

If I actually died would I be here...  I drowned and was brought back after 20 min under water. I guess god didn`t open the tunnel and I must be special.

Nah, that's not long enough. It's still NDE. You were merely dreaming. I would believe it if there were decay and putrification...

The Silver Thong, on 12 July 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

Hit the nail on the head. To control people. Glad you pointed that out.

Nah. It's actually the Power-That-Be's grace and compassion. The core of every religion is to get us out of here -- no more cycles.

"While you live, your troubles are many. Poor Jerusalem: to conquer death, you only have to die -- you only have to die." Jesus Christ Superstar

"Die," in the sense that you don't reincarnate -- one's "awareness" of one's existence is completely erased, destroyed, merged with the purifying power of God(?). It's the true sense of Nirvana. No more you.

[The Silver Thong]

Bluefinger, on 12 July 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

There was a lot to glean from my response Silver.  It goes to show how antagonistic your mind is, especially toward Christianity.

Has God failed in every possible way or has God just not done things the way you would have?  Beside all of that, there is an exegesis to each Biblical text that is just as important as the what the text says.  If you rule out the audience, author, and historical context of the writing (especially after much scholarly research), then it shows that you are no fan truth, but instead am content to insert your own worldview into a text whose social agenda is completely different.  No wonder you think God has failed:  You don't even know enough about the text to know what constitutes a success for it.

You have set the bar unrealistically high and have scolded others for not reaching it.  It was that kind of beh that caused me to even question the religious establishment I grew up in.  I am glad I am free from that kind of oppression.

My dis like of religion spans more then your trust in it believe me. Get off your high horse for a second as you seem to think you are some speaker for a god I nor many, half the world does not believe in. so please.  I see you like to use god to attack people on a personal level, very typical yet not suprising.  Your assumption god has failed me is evidience of your ignorance of a none believer just because one is told to believe with nothing to believe in.  Why do you think that is a good tacktic....

  Tell me where god has not failed and belief in a deity has succeded.  Don`t assume I blaim a god for anything as I do not believe in a god and for better reason why would anyone. Your god is yours, organize it then it becomes mine. Religion is not a choice if you make it political and thats all religion is now, political. Hence my former coment to control.

[The Silver Thong]

braveone2u, on 12 July 2012 - 04:51 AM, said:

Nah, that's not long enough. It's still NDE. You were merely dreaming. I would believe it if there were decay and putrification...



Nah. It's actually the Power-That-Be's grace and compassion. The core of every religion is to get us out of here -- no more cycles.

"While you live, your troubles are many. Poor Jerusalem: to conquer death, you only have to die -- you only have to die." Jesus Christ Superstar

"Die," in the sense that you don't reincarnate -- one's "awareness" of one's existence is completely erased, destroyed, merged with the purifying power of God(?). It's the true sense of Nirvana. No more you.

Ok I wasn`t dead long enough lol  so I have to to start to rote (decay) to see god.

The core of religion is to control and give one peace as there service to a false god is over very well known by those at the top.  Pope Vi in the tenth century stated as much.  Not sure of the roman numeral though

Edited by The Silver Thong, 12 July 2012 - 05:09 AM.

[braveone2u]

The Silver Thong, on 12 July 2012 - 05:05 AM, said:

Ok I wasn`t dead long enough lol  so I have to to start to rote (decay)

Exactly.

The Silver Thong, on 12 July 2012 - 05:05 AM, said:

The core of religion is to control and give one peace as there service to a false god is over very well known by those at the top.  Pope Vi in the tenth century stated as much.  Not sure of the roman numeral though

I put more weight on my findings over hearsay knowledge. The posts I shared with you are absolutely NOT hearsay.

Edited by braveone2u, 12 July 2012 - 05:18 AM.

[Arbenol68]

Bluefinger, on 12 July 2012 - 03:29 AM, said:

And isn't atheism a very convenient avenue to turn to for those who are wealthy and well off?  I guess if there is no deity, then there is no obligation to care for the poor, fight in a war, stop looking at porn, and question the sacredness of marriage.  I could say that atheism could just be what people resort to when they want their lives to themselves.  This hole can get deeper, but I think I'll leave at this:  There is a worldview behind what you are saying that I'm suspecting that you haven't given as much criticism to as you have other worldviews.


But if there is no God, then there is no consequence to how well or how poorly we live our lives.  You can't justify to someone else that they should value your life or their own for that matter based on the argument of rationality.  If anything, a man can take your worldview to the extremes (as can happen with any belief) and use it to justify their exploitation of other peoples' fundamental rights and humanity.  The pendulum swings both ways.  Those that you consider 'logical' are not excluded.

Of course there are consequences to how we live our lives. Only, the consequences are in this life. What has more value? Doing what is right because you fear the wrath of God when you're dead, or doing what is right simply because it's the right thing to do? What kind of moral high ground can someone take if they have to be threatened to behave?

[Lumpino]

I believe gods really exists. Why? People who really want may  talk to them.
http://www.esoterica...le/iambl_th.htm
http://www.sacred-te...y/dmp/index.htm

I tried such practices and I am sure, that it is real.

Edited by Lumpino, 12 July 2012 - 05:31 AM.

[VC-10]

Imaginarynumber1, on 11 July 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

I'm serious. Show me a soul. I want to see one.

Look in a mirror.

[Imaginarynumber1]

VC-10, on 12 July 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

Look in a mirror.

No. That's what we call a person. Homo sapien. Human.
I see no soul.
It would seem that no one can show me a soul.

[The Silver Thong]

Lumpino, on 12 July 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

I believe gods really exists. Why? People who really want may  talk to them.
http://www.esoterica...le/iambl_th.htm
http://www.sacred-te...y/dmp/index.htm

I tried such practices and I am sure, that it is real.

People with blind faith scare me as that can lead to anything. Blind faith in anything even taught by billions is still a blind faith. Man dictates and according to the bible god does not. So why do people believe in what man says through god yet man dictates gods word as the truth

Edited by The Silver Thong, 12 July 2012 - 06:02 AM.

[VC-10]

Imaginarynumber1, on 12 July 2012 - 05:49 AM, said:

No. That's what we call a person. Homo sapien. Human.
I see no soul.
It would seem that no one can show me a soul.

Correct, species homo sapien, human. A living breathing being with a soul existing on a planet orbiting a yellow dwarf star in a humdrum spiral galaxy.

[The Silver Thong]

VC-10, on 12 July 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

Correct, species homo sapien, human. A living breathing being with a soul existing on a planet orbiting a yellow dwarf star in a humdrum spiral galaxy.

Example of a soul : wishfull thinking

[Lumpino]

The Silver Thong, on 12 July 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

People with blind faith scare me as that can lead to anything. Blind faith in anything even taught by billions is still a blind faith. Man dictates and according to the bible god does not. So why do people believe in what man says through god yet man dictates gods word.

Well, but evocation is not blind faith. See you Iamblichus, or similar books. (see above).
Blind faith is believing without a proof............

[Imaginarynumber1]

VC-10, on 12 July 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

Correct, species homo sapien, human. A living breathing being with a soul existing on a planet orbiting a yellow dwarf star in a humdrum spiral galaxy.

I can see everything else and have proof of it's existence. All but that soul, of course. No evidence there. Nope. Not a bit.
No matter how many times or how many ways you say it, it's just not there, because it is fictitious.