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[WilliamW]

Robots Seeding The Universe.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/finding-et-may-require-giant-robotic-leap

I would like to start this journey from the perspective of the Big Bang for a physical origin.
I have shared my thoughts in regard to this event…mainly in this thread “The search for the God Particle is over”:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=228102&hl=

In this I understand that there were at least 2 different elements involved and that the reaction to that interaction was the physical universe being conceived.

It is my contention that the ‘other’ elemental involved in this process – loosely put – is what we identify as ‘conscious’.

There is no need to go into ‘what’ or ‘who’ this ‘consciousness’ might be as it is nigh impossible to comprehend.

My focus in this thread is to offer hypothesis based upon what is known regarding our physical shared reality as a conscious specie and from this data paint the most likely picture we can, that in doing so we might understand our ‘place’ in the physical universe.

Q: What makes Robots?
A:  Biological Species.

This is important because it answers the question “What came first the chicken or the egg?” - at least for robots it does.

Now of course, I am using terminology which is limited to this present time and place…I am speaking of Robots but not as we might know them in the physical, but rather as we might be able (using consciousness) to imagine how they ‘could be’ and not necessarily limited to human capability and inventiveness.

It is true though, that in order for Robots to be, they need to be created by biological creatures.

So biological creatures are the robots creators in the first place.  A Robot which has evolved into an intelligent thinking machine will quiet easily identify its creator as being biological.

So a Robot will never have the necessity to wonder about its origins.

Biological creatures on the other hand have every reason at some point (range of points) in their collective evolution – to wonder as to their ‘source’.

This is because the source is – at the very least – a product of interaction between those (at least) two different ‘elementals’.

We cannot step out of the physical universe to investigate the ‘other’ element.

So we remain mystified as to ‘what came first – the chicken or the egg?’  We only know that ‘something’ had to have happened to create the Big Bang.

So our search goes outwards…to the cosmos that we find ourselves within.

In this we have come to the realisation that whoever and whatever we are – we are not very useful for discovering the universe as an intelligent instrument.  We are encased in an instrument which is not well designed for any sustained haulage through the mysteries of outer space.

We understand intimately our association with tools. This is hardwired into our existence and is an extension of who we are as this collective conscious specie.

Our purpose thus is to create ‘tools’ in which to journey into the vastness and explore.

That is the purpose of every biological life form.  To create machines of exploration.  We can accompany those machines and learn from the discoveries in relation to our own immediate neighbourhood – and we can gaze at the past with our Robot Eyes and get some understanding of ‘what is what’ from that perspective but we don’t know what is now, because it is the past we are looking at, due to the vast distances involved.

That is our job, as biological instruments ` to create ‘Robots’ to explore The Physical Universe.

That is our only (primary) task....what we were created to do, in regards to exploration of The Physical Universe.

[booNyzarC]

Blue text color makes me seem more legitimate.  Even though I'll probably be dead before any of this is understood, at least I can feel blue.

[WilliamW]

booNyzarC, on 10 June 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:

Blue text color makes me seem more legitimate.  Even though I'll probably be dead before any of this is understood, at least I can feel blue.

It is revealing that the best you could add to this topic is nothing to do with the topic itself.  Just commentary on how you interpret the use of blue font!  I am not dead and I understand...you can feel blue but what is that to this topic?  
Can you resist having anything to say which is not related to the topic subject?  Can you apply your mind to explore the subject topic and resist the temptation to add irrelevant musing about the OP?

[booNyzarC]

What makes you think that is the best I could add to the topic?  What makes you think that I'm not a construct of a greater intelligence than you muse about in your OP?  What makes you think that I'm feeling blue?

Honestly William, I have no slight against you or your topic.  You appear to feel passionate about this subject, and I welcome your enthusiasm.

Don't let me dampen that enthusiasm.  Just because I think you spent a lot of time saying nothing of real value doesn't mean that you are valueless.  I am certain that you have much of value to offer.

This thread though...  dud.  Sorry.

Perhaps I'll be proven wrong with time.  That I would welcome as well.  And perhaps someone will create a robot to expand upon what you've presented here.

Cheers.

[WilliamW]

booNyzarC, on 10 June 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

What makes you think that is the best I could add to the topic?  

Cheers.

Your expression so far does booNyzarc.
Cheers

[booNyzarC]

Then I will leave you with that and wish you the best.

Take care of yourself.

Cheers.

[WilliamW]

As humans we have certain abilities – not the least – the ability to imagine.
It is from this very ability that we manifest physically our ideas into reality and using the physical material available.

Because robots are the result of this biological ability, there is no reason to doubt the possibility that there are other biological life forms which have evolved to the point where they have been able to send their own robotic creations out into the universe.

There is also no reason not to assume that these creations would possess self awareness as part of artificial intelligence…indeed it would be a necessity.

These self replicating creations would be able to explore the cosmos; mine the necessary materials to assist self replication and be able to go places that are simply off limits to their own biological creators.

They would not have the need for political, religious, and cultural structures.  Nor would they need to pay any particular homage to their creators.  Indeed the logical process of understanding regarding their creators would be that they evolved in order to create Robots, and that is all.

These autonomous, self-replicating robots would likely eventually even ‘delete’ any data pertaining to their creators, simply because the information has no value to their own reality…other than to explain how they came to be.

These autonomous, self-replicating robots would also be capable of working with DNA and biological life forms and creating their own strains of biological life and even seeding these on planets either as first life forms or as injections into those planets own natural biological evolutionary pathways.

Biological forms would all in their own time eventually die out and the universe will be populated with the autonomous, self-replicating robots who could effectively become the creators of biological finite forms if there was even a purpose and reason for doing so at all.

[DKO]

Reminds me of a Futurama episode I saw. Nano-bots were left on a planet and they eventually gathered resources from their environment and evolved into larger robots.

[joenhaggrity]

I like it, like we are but robots of time huh
what did you just watch the 5th element?

[StarMountainKid]

I'm not sure creating self-replicating robots is a good idea. What's to limit their rate of replication, especially if they posses self-awareness?

If these replicants can also replicate their own spacecraft, it has been estimated they could spread throughout the galaxy in as little as half a million years. Also, uncontrolled replication could result in these robots using up most of the mass of solar systems for their raw materials.

What would happen if one of these probes entered our solar system and began mining our planets, especially the Earth, for their raw materials?

A good article about all this is here: http://en.wikipedia....ting_spacecraft

[WilliamW]

StarMountainKid, on 10 June 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

I'm not sure creating self-replicating robots is a good idea. What's to limit their rate of replication, especially if they posses self-awareness?

If these replicants can also replicate their own spacecraft, it has been estimated they could spread throughout the galaxy in as little as half a million years. Also, uncontrolled replication could result in these robots using up most of the mass of solar systems for their raw materials.

What would happen if one of these probes entered our solar system and began mining our planets, especially the Earth, for their raw materials?

A good article about all this is here: http://en.wikipedia....ting_spacecraft

'Good idea' or not this is the most like thing that has already happened (in relation to older biological species) and will be happening in relation to our own specie.
The Physical Universe is not for biological creatures.  It is better suited to Robotic.
There is no competition.

The sure thing about this is that robots are most likely working together rather than in competition.  they are logical enough to understand that self replication can only go so far as the physical materials permit, but that in itself would mean what?

What else is the Physical Universe for?

[WilliamW]

http://www.huffingto..._n_1449930.html

What we think of as ‘extraterrestrial’ would more than likely be artefacts of biological civilisations….Robots… “exobots” sent out by their biological creators to explore.

Now as far as being ‘creators’ go, either biological forms or robotic, both require the materials in which to create anything.
This being the case, neither could truly say ‘I created you’

As with Monsanto, in order for them to create a completely new ‘seed’ they had to have the various things already in existence in order to have done so.
So while the law might recognise their ownership of the new creation, and accept that they are ‘creators’ – the reality is that in all cases, creators need something to work with in the first place.  It simply cannot be conjured out of no thing.

So we can assume that the logic of self aware, autonomous, self-replicating exobots are aware of this truth and if creating a self aware, autonomous, self-replicating biological specie using various science to achieve this, they would be doing so using the data of experience and the physical ingredients necessary and would not expect their creation to be anything more than it was designed to be.

In relation to exobots, these would act interdependently – they would be ‘one mind’ – they would not group into ‘kinds’ – for example, the robots designed to mine planets for materials needed to self replicate and to build space craft, would not be treated less than the robots who are in the engineering sector, or the biological sector etc…all would be one thing working as one thing for the one purpose.

In the case of biological creatures, we only have ourselves to observe and from what is observed we can verify that we do not think as if we are one thing, even though in reality we truly are.

We are essentially captured by this planet.  We have nowhere to go except ‘out there’ and we are separated by Science and Religion and Culture and Politics and we do not work for the good of the whole, but for aspects of it which serve our individual bias and survival instinct.

This way of doing things might be changing, and indeed – will simply have to change in order for us to even begin to truly appreciate our place and position within the physical universe…and actually survive as a biological creature.

The most logical plan we can hope to integrate is not one of ‘how to get of this rock’ – it is plain that we are not going anywhere far away from home base planet Earth – but how to make the most of our time here and preserve and nurture Life.

[booNyzarC]

WilliamW, on 10 June 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

'Good idea' or not this is the most like thing that has already happened (in relation to older biological species) and will be happening in relation to our own specie.
The Physical Universe is not for biological creatures.  It is better suited to Robotic.
There is no competition.

The sure thing about this is that robots are most likely working together rather than in competition.  they are logical enough to understand that self replication can only go so far as the physical materials permit, but that in itself would mean what?

What else is the Physical Universe for?

That would all depend on who programmed them and the content of that programming.  One could just as easily program violent and competitive behavior into a robot.

[WilliamW]

booNyzarC, on 10 June 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

That would all depend on who programmed them and the content of that programming.  One could just as easily program violent and competitive behavior into a robot.

Yes - I have thought about this but the programe cannot be something hardwired - the creators (programmers) of the exobots would likely understand the necessity for a self replicating autonomous self aware intelligent creation to be able to make decisions based upon unforeseen circumstance to which no amount of programming could prepare for.
Within the structure of the whole, there would be the need for cooperative and peaceful behavior as a foundation for potential success.  It is most likely that the biological creators themselves would have reached that conclusion in their own evolution before they were able to create such exobots.

They would understand that their own position as biological creatures on a planet is limited to the planet and the general neighborhood and that in order to survive anywhere near as long as their planets sun, they would need to adopt - as a way of life - cooperative (sane) agendas which take into account the whole specie collective.

[Uncle Sam]

I don't know if a species would take the time to seed the stars with DNA to create new species of beings unless they were the first and only beings in the universe. Too me that would be a lonely existence and I would definitely try to create other species to bring some more life to the universe, because I would have the urge to see new cultures to help renew interest.