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#31    Taun

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:00 PM

View PostMyles, on 18 June 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

I'll give my opinion on your list:

The Moodies are not the only such band, ostracized by the Hall... check out this list...

KISS - Should be in
Depeche Mode - I guess (was never a fan)
The Cure - Should be in
Chicago - No doubt they should be in
Hall and Oates - I don't think so.
Rush - They should be in
Alice Cooper - He should be in
Moody Blues - Of course they should be in
E.L.O. - I would put them in
Cheap Trick - Not sure
Bad Company - Yes
Peter Frampton - Yes
Heart - Yes
T-Rex - No
Bon Jovi - Yes
Journey - Yes of course
Foreigner - Yes of course
Public Enemy - No
Red Hot Chili Peppers... - Yes

I would also put Yes in without question.

The list I got (that you commented on) was from another site, not my list... But I agree with your assessment completely...

It does seem (to me at least) that if there is going to be an 'Official' R&R HOF, there should be ironclad standards and requirements... so far as i can find out, the only requirements for this one are that the band be at least 25 years old, and that Rolling Stone magazine 'reporters' think they are cool...

So far as Devo goes... I am not (nor was I ever) a fan - but Yes They should be in as well...  So should ELP - who I am a fan of...

Playboy Magazine does (or at least did) a better job of it...


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:27 PM

View PostTaun, on 20 June 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

The list I got (that you commented on) was from another site, not my list... But I agree with your assessment completely...

It does seem (to me at least) that if there is going to be an 'Official' R&R HOF, there should be ironclad standards and requirements... so far as i can find out, the only requirements for this one are that the band be at least 25 years old, and that Rolling Stone magazine 'reporters' think they are cool...

So far as Devo goes... I am not (nor was I ever) a fan - but Yes They should be in as well...  So should ELP - who I am a fan of...

Playboy Magazine does (or at least did) a better job of it...

I guess I was just never into Devo.   They had the one catchy hit (Whip It), but I don't recall much more.   I would not put them in.
Emerson, Lake and Palmer should be in.   In 1974 they were the second highest grossing act in the world behind only Led Zeppelin.


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 02:30 PM

View PostMyles, on 20 June 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

I guess I was just never into Devo.   They had the one catchy hit (Whip It), but I don't recall much more.   I would not put them in.
Emerson, Lake and Palmer should be in.   In 1974 they were the second highest grossing act in the world behind only Led Zeppelin.

You couldn't turn a radio on without hearing something from "Brain Salad Surgery", or "Pictures At An Exhibition"...


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 03:03 PM

View PostTaun, on 20 June 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

You couldn't turn a radio on without hearing something from "Brain Salad Surgery", or "Pictures At An Exhibition"...

I can't say that I've listened to much of ELP.  I had a buddy with a couple of their albums and we listened to them.  
I have to admit something sad.  I never knew it was ELP who sang "Welcome back my friend to the show that never ends".   I always though that was ARS (Atlantic Rythm Section).


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:02 PM

View PostMyles, on 20 June 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Why would you vote for Devo?

Devo was absolutely instrumental in the development of new wave. Some people even feel that Byrne ripped off Motherbaugh with alot of the Talking Heads stuff, musically speaking.


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:12 PM

View PostMr. Miyagi, on 20 June 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Devo was absolutely instrumental in the development of new wave. Some people even feel that Byrne ripped off Motherbaugh with alot of the Talking Heads stuff, musically speaking.

Agreed... as I said - never cared for Devo - but have to admit that they were highly influential - and successful intheir own right...


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:25 PM

View PostMr. Miyagi, on 20 June 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Devo was absolutely instrumental in the development of new wave. Some people even feel that Byrne ripped off Motherbaugh with alot of the Talking Heads stuff, musically speaking.
I still wouldn't put them in.   But that's just me.


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:33 PM

View PostMyles, on 20 June 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

I still wouldn't put them in.   But that's just me.

Why not, out of curiosity?


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:32 PM

A few reasons.  
I thought Whip It was corny.   Never seen the fascination.  Wasn't a big fan a that type of music.  To me they seemed like a novelty.
They didn't seem to have much musical talent to speak of ( not great drummers or bassists or guitarists).  Again, it's just my thoughts.


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:38 PM

View PostMyles, on 20 June 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

A few reasons.  
I thought Whip It was corny.   Never seen the fascination.  Wasn't a big fan a that type of music.  To me they seemed like a novelty.
They didn't seem to have much musical talent to speak of ( not great drummers or bassists or guitarists).  Again, it's just my thoughts.

I hear ya, I'm actually not a big fan of Whip it either. My fav is Smart Patrol/Mr. DNA.


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:24 PM

View PostMr. Miyagi, on 20 June 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

I hear ya, I'm actually not a big fan of Whip it either. My fav is Smart Patrol/Mr. DNA.
I did a little google search.   I felt if I was going to discuss Devo or comment on whether I would put them in the HOF, then I could at least learn something about them.   Somewhat interesting, but nothing changed my mind.  I'll liten to more of their stuff soon.  Smart patrol and Mr. DNA will be a couple.

It's more of a case of everyones definitions of what gets you in the hall.   Here is mine.   I understand that it is not what everyone else thinks.

*Great musicians - Guitar, Bass, Drums, other.   Not just speed, but style with talent.
*Longevity while being relevant. - State fairs really don't count, but if you sell out good size venues for 20 years, you have a large following because you are doing something right.
*Hits - If a band has enough top hits, like them or not I guess they get in.
*Influence - This is kind of minor to me.  It's so subjective.  You never know how much a band influences other bands.   In some ways, I guess almost every popular band influences future artists.  Elvis, The Beatles, Hendrix, The Yradbirds, several blues artists, they all influenced music.
*Popularity - This one is very minor to me, but I understand that it must be a factor.  This is different than having top hits.  Kiss gets an added push because of this one.  Also ELP.   They had huge audiences even though they only had a few songs climb the charts (2 #7's I believe).
*Future band members success - I know this is questionable, but I think it plays a part.  Even if the Yardbirds were not in the HOF, I would put them there because they had Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page in the band.  Also, sometimes maybe a band of past stars should get in.  How could you not put The Traveling Wilburies in the HOF.  Tom Petty, George Harrison, Roy Orbison, Jeff Lynne and Bob Dylan.


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Posted 21 June 2012 - 12:57 AM

View PostMyles, on 20 June 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

A few reasons.  
I thought Whip It was corny.   Never seen the fascination.  Wasn't a big fan a that type of music.  To me they seemed like a novelty.
They didn't seem to have much musical talent to speak of ( not great drummers or bassists or guitarists).  Again, it's just my thoughts.


You should hear their stuff, it is good.....Whip it was one of their worst songs in my opinion.

I grew up in the late 70's, and through the 80's, and on through the grunge of the 90's..I was a " rocker "...I went to every " big hair " band you can name's concerts ( most likely more than once ), and all of the " grunge " bands through the 90's, and even concerts today.I had a chance to go to DEVO....I thought it would be a joke......They are in my top 5 concerts now.( was 1987 )

Glad I saw them......


And they are still touring and making music today, and sound just as good as they have......2 new songs below, and a older one....Second video at the Winter Olympics live.... :)





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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:12 AM

I had to add this one to show how they have a following, and how good they still are today Live !



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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:20 AM

ABBA and Madonna are in the RRHOF for some reason, along with relatively obscure blues performers.   What do they have in common?  Not much!  Like I said, the selection criteria seems totally random.    Popularity, critical acclaim, who knows what the rules are.   It's just the voices in some Cleveland person's head.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 02:31 AM

The Bee Gees were much more than a disco band. Their early stuff from the sixties was great. They belong there.



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