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[Earl.Of.Trumps]

"Chasing UFO's" cool. I'll be wathcing for this one. NatGeo.

I truly hope they include "TheBattle of LA", clearly the most compelling story I ever saw on UFO's
It happened in winter of 42 - right after the pearl harbor incident. The US was in the war and preparing for an attack on the West coast by Japan.

The LA Times clearly caught the saucer being tracked by a net of a dozen or so search beams in an othewise pitch black Los Angeles and YES the photo is all over the net. This was at a time when the term "flying saucer" did not even exist and the fact that the US Army verified that it fired 1,400 anti-aircraft shells weighting over 12 lbs apiece at it is proof that there was something there. those shells, btw, did much damage to property and killed people too, when they returned to earth, so it was not a practice drill, as some folks think could be the case.

http://www.rense.com...l67/batofla.htm

I know folks don't like Rense but the pic is real, I've seen it in many other links including LA Times itself.
there is also a very small video of it as filmed by somebody in MGM studios, who just happened to be in the studio that night. that is one the web somewhere, too

anyway, maybe some day I'll start a new thread on it. there really is a lot to know about it. I do know that this amazing incident was all but forgotten by America because all people were interested in that night was.. .WAS IT JAPANESE? and DID WE GET IT?  They were not even thinking about UFO's back then and particularly on that night, the start of war

another coupe for Ancient Aliens


Enjoy the night, mon amis

Edited by Earl.Of.Trumps, 25 June 2012 - 01:55 AM.

[DONTEATUS]

many,many questions,not too many answers I see the problem ? we need more Hollywood movies like "Prometheus" that will keep us on our toes !

[Hawkin]

Earl.Of.Trumps, on 25 June 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

"Chasing UFO's" cool. I'll be wathcing for this one. NatGeo.

I truly hope they include "TheBattle of LA", clearly the most compelling story I ever saw on UFO's
It happened in winter of 42 - right after the pearl harbor incident. The US was in the war and preparing for an attack on the West coast by Japan.

The LA Times clearly caught the saucer being tracked by a net of a dozen or so search beams in an othewise pitch black Los Angeles and YES the photo is all over the net. This was at a time when the term "flying saucer" did not even exist and the fact that the US Army verified that it fired 1,400 anti-aircraft shells weighting over 12 lbs apiece at it is proof that there was something there. those shells, btw, did much damage to property and killed people too, when they returned to earth, so it was not a practice drill, as some folks think could be the case.

http://www.rense.com...l67/batofla.htm

I know folks don't like Rense but the pic is real, I've seen it in many other links including LA Times itself.
there is also a very small video of it as filmed by somebody in MGM studios, who just happened to be in the studio that night. that is one the web somewhere, too

anyway, maybe some day I'll start a new thread on it. there really is a lot to know about it. I do know that this amazing incident was all but forgotten by America because all people were interested in that night was.. .WAS IT JAPANESE? and DID WE GET IT?  They were not even thinking about UFO's back then and particularly on that night, the start of war

another coupe for Ancient Aliens


Enjoy the night, mon amis

Yes I've seen docs about that incident. If it was a japanese aircraft one would think the government would have declassified it by now. Do you know of the Shag Harbor incident off the coast of Nova Scotia, Canada where an object was witnessed diving into the atlantic? Fisherman in boats went out to investigate thinking it was a plane crash and all they found was yellow foam on the water. The next day divers were called in but found nothing. This happened in the late 60's.

[Zeta Reticulum]

Hazzard, on 23 June 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

Just keep in mind, zoser,... Its not a documentary. Its science fiction.

BIG difference.

   Thats riight,  only science fiction. How could anybody think that there is any life in our universe except on our planet.
As for the technology required to travel..... remember .. just 200 years ago Captain James Cook was sailing the world seas. If you had told him that in the future we could get across the oceans in a matter of hours he would have told you you were mad.

[badeskov]

Zeta Reticulum, on 25 June 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Thats riight,  only science fiction. How could anybody think that there is any life in our universe except on our planet.
As for the technology required to travel..... remember .. just 200 years ago Captain James Cook was sailing the world seas. If you had told him that in the future we could get across the oceans in a matter of hours he would have told you you were mad.

By all means of respect, but that is a rather uneducated post. Have you seen anybody claiming there is no life in the Universe except on Earth?! No, you haven't. Nobody is saying so. All Hazz is saying that what Zoser called a documentory is merely science fiction meant to entertain people. It is not a documentary.

Good grief!

Cheers,
Badeskov

[Hawkin]

badeskov, on 25 June 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

By all means of respect, but that is a rather uneducated post. Have you seen anybody claiming there is no life in the Universe except on Earth?! No, you haven't. Nobody is saying so. All Hazz is saying that what Zoser called a documentory is merely science fiction meant to entertain people. It is not a documentary.

Good grief!

Cheers,
Badeskov

Science Fiction has become Science Fact.

[badeskov]

Ryegrog, on 25 June 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

Science Fiction has become Science Fact.

Sadly so

Cheers,
Badeskov

[psyche101]

zoser, on 23 June 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

To be honest H the biggest science fiction I've ever come across are the half baked explanations that the so called de-bunkers put forward to explain away UFO cases.  Plasma, ball lightening, star reflections.........it's better that H G Wells!

Actually, no, it is just that it is beyond you.

Way, way beyond you. Now you just say it is a documentary to get a rise, but all you are doing is letting everyone know that actual science eludes you completely. That is why you call entertainment shows documentaries. It was funny at first, now it's rather embarrassing that a grown person would be so inept.

[psyche101]

Earl.Of.Trumps, on 25 June 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

"Chasing UFO's" cool. I'll be wathcing for this one. NatGeo.

I truly hope they include "TheBattle of LA", clearly the most compelling story I ever saw on UFO's
It happened in winter of 42 - right after the pearl harbor incident. The US was in the war and preparing for an attack on the West coast by Japan.

The LA Times clearly caught the saucer being tracked by a net of a dozen or so search beams in an othewise pitch black Los Angeles and YES the photo is all over the net. This was at a time when the term "flying saucer" did not even exist and the fact that the US Army verified that it fired 1,400 anti-aircraft shells weighting over 12 lbs apiece at it is proof that there was something there. those shells, btw, did much damage to property and killed people too, when they returned to earth, so it was not a practice drill, as some folks think could be the case.

http://www.rense.com...l67/batofla.htm

I know folks don't like Rense but the pic is real, I've seen it in many other links including LA Times itself.
there is also a very small video of it as filmed by somebody in MGM studios, who just happened to be in the studio that night. that is one the web somewhere, too

anyway, maybe some day I'll start a new thread on it. there really is a lot to know about it. I do know that this amazing incident was all but forgotten by America because all people were interested in that night was.. .WAS IT JAPANESE? and DID WE GET IT?  They were not even thinking about UFO's back then and particularly on that night, the start of war

another coupe for Ancient Aliens


Enjoy the night, mon amis

I would suggest a search right here at UM. This was discussed extensively in the BE threads (III I think) and even if you do not give in to logic and what it has it say about that one being ET, the level of technology for the time was nothing short of astounding and really worth reading about. I think a few of us learned a thing or two from Lost Shaman in that dissection about how complex the gunnery systems were. I had to admit, I had no idea that we had such decent tech back then. Like I say, even if one still wishes to convince themselves this was an Alien the historical record is more than interesting and really worth the read.  A decent little system called a "Director" was quite the computer for it's day.

[psyche101]

Zeta Reticulum, on 25 June 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Thats riight,  only science fiction. How could anybody think that there is any life in our universe except on our planet.

Whilst nobody has challenged the possibility for life in the Universe, and in fact we would all be grateful if you would direct all of us at any such post, seriously, I'd like to see you tell us where we can find some alien. What planet is intelligent life on it now that you have spoken up?

Zeta Reticulum, on 25 June 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

As for the technology required to travel..... remember .. just 200 years ago Captain James Cook was sailing the world seas. If you had told him that in the future we could get across the oceans in a matter of hours he would have told you you were mad.

And this means what? That you really like Captain Cook? I doubt Cook would have said that because we have birds, and birds can travel vast distances, therefore he had a model to study, so it's not like E=MC2 where you do need something impossible to manage it. However, again, if you could enlighten us with this vast knowledge you so pooh pooh the skeptics with, what happens when you pass light speed? Is there a limit? Wont you start going backwards in time or some deal? Fill us all in would you. It seems that 100 years of challnges and having built the bomb which proves the E=MC2 principal and the gravitational space experiments also proving Einstein right were apparently not good enough to validate that well known tried and true hypothesis, but apparently you have surpassed the rest of the planet and can do the impossible. Would you mind letting us all in on your little secret? Just what is the upper limit, or do you propose none exist?

[Zeta Reticulum]

psyche101, on 25 June 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Whilst nobody has challenged the possibility for life in the Universe, and in fact we would all be grateful if you would direct all of us at any such post, seriously, I'd like to see you tell us where we can find some alien. What planet is intelligent life on it now that you have spoken up?



And this means what? That you really like Captain Cook? I doubt Cook would have said that because we have birds, and birds can travel vast distances, therefore he had a model to study, so it's not like E=MC2 where you do need something impossible to manage it. However, again, if you could enlighten us with this vast knowledge you so pooh pooh the skeptics with, what happens when you pass light speed? Is there a limit? Wont you start going backwards in time or some deal? Fill us all in would you. It seems that 100 years of challnges and having built the bomb which proves the E=MC2 principal and the gravitational space experiments also proving Einstein right were apparently not good enough to validate that well known tried and true hypothesis, but apparently you have surpassed the rest of the planet and can do the impossible. Would you mind letting us all in on your little secret? Just what is the upper limit, or do you propose none exist?

Just look around :-

Bob Lazar was telling the truth so says a Lockheed Martin Senior Research Scientist of 20 years, who held Top Secret clearance.

Recap - UFO & Antigravity Disclosure - From Coast To Coast

UFO Researcher David Sereda discussed his recent work, videotaping the disclosure of 73-year old Boyd Bushman, a Lockheed Martin Senior Research Scientist of 20 years, who held Top Secret clearance. He holds a number of patents and designed the Red Eye Missile (now the Stinger Missile), and infrared FLIR systems. Bushman also reverse engineered antigravity and UFO technology, Sereda reported.

There is a force related to the expansion of the universe that is actually stronger than gravity, and this could relate to antigravity propulsion, Bushman told him. He demonstrated phases that lead up to antigravity, including experiments in which magnets reduced the gravity of a rock. Bushman verified that Area 51 in Nevada was indeed the place where alien craft were tested-- but such testing moved to a facility in Utah after Area 51 became well known, he noted.

Bushman also revealed that he was friends with a Navy doctor that treated a pilot who shot down the Roswell craft in 1947. Though he didn't state the specific type of weapon used, Sereda speculated that it might have been Tesla's "death ray," confiscated by the government after Tesla's death in 1943. Bushman also showed Sereda a diagram for a nuclear-powered flying saucer , which he said was first flown out of Wright Patterson AFB in 1959

[Hawkin]

badeskov, on 25 June 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

Sadly so

Cheers,
Badeskov

Sadly? Jules Verne's books were once thought of as science fiction of his time like vessels that can travel under water and rocket ships that go to the moon.
But obviously that became science fact. I wouldn't be surprise someday if time travel will be possible or ships that can travel faster then light speed. Of course
their will always be Nay Sayers that will say it's impossible just like their were nay sayers in Jules Verne's time period.

[JimOberg]

zoser, on 23 June 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

To be honest H the biggest science fiction I've ever come across are the half baked explanations that the so called de-bunkers put forward to explain away UFO cases.  Plasma, ball lightening, star reflections.........it's better that H G Wells!

I'd appreciate any comments you care to share about my "99 FAQs About 'Space UFOs'" that support my view that all those dots are normal non-alien spaceflight phenomena. I've never called ANYTHING swamp gas, or plasma, for that matter.

[psyche101]

Zeta Reticulum, on 25 June 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

Just look around :-

Bob Lazar was telling the truth so says a Lockheed Martin Senior Research Scientist of 20 years, who held Top Secret clearance.

Recap - UFO & Antigravity Disclosure - From Coast To Coast

UFO Researcher David Sereda discussed his recent work, videotaping the disclosure of 73-year old Boyd Bushman, a Lockheed Martin Senior Research Scientist of 20 years, who held Top Secret clearance. He holds a number of patents and designed the Red Eye Missile (now the Stinger Missile), and infrared FLIR systems. Bushman also reverse engineered antigravity and UFO technology, Sereda reported.

There is a force related to the expansion of the universe that is actually stronger than gravity, and this could relate to antigravity propulsion, Bushman told him. He demonstrated phases that lead up to antigravity, including experiments in which magnets reduced the gravity of a rock. Bushman verified that Area 51 in Nevada was indeed the place where alien craft were tested-- but such testing moved to a facility in Utah after Area 51 became well known, he noted.

Bushman also revealed that he was friends with a Navy doctor that treated a pilot who shot down the Roswell craft in 1947. Though he didn't state the specific type of weapon used, Sereda speculated that it might have been Tesla's "death ray," confiscated by the government after Tesla's death in 1943. Bushman also showed Sereda a diagram for a nuclear-powered flying saucer , which he said was first flown out of Wright Patterson AFB in 1959

Seriously? You have also convinced yourself with an appeal to authority? Boyd Bushman and Edgar Mitchell support Bob Lazar so you think that is the way to go? What about Lazar's physics being nonsense? Do you realise that we have managed to make Ununpentium, and not one thing that Mr Lazar predicted actually happened? Where science vs Lazar, bob loses big time, every time. What about the fact that Boyd Bushman lied about anti grav and used Lorentz law to fake anti grav? Ohh, he has a patent, he would not lie! By gum he sure will!! He knows Lorentz law better than you and I, so how is using it in a demonstration and claiming it is more than it is not fraud? I do not know if Bushman believes his nonsense, I do not know if Bushman is a liar or a fake, but I know his claims constitute fraud. Bushman also thought the Gulf Breeze hoaxwas the genuine article. How does someone in the know get fooled like that?

And ohh my, he was confirmed by David Sereda! A singer, musician, actor and playwright, I mean if someone knows physics, it is David Sereda right?

Honestly, you lot have to stop just looking at credentials and have a look at the crap these people are serving to you on a platter, and whilst they have you attention, you lot are gobbling this crap up! If you have a dozen letters behind your name, a lie is still a lie.

And do you know what, I suggest that you take your own advice and look around. Boyd Bushman has been exposed already right here at UM. Fair go guys, at least have a go at research and give the argument from authority a break, it does not look good when you have to resort to that in lieu of evidence.

[psyche101]

Ryegrog, on 25 June 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Sadly? Jules Verne's books were once thought of as science fiction of his time like vessels that can travel under water and rocket ships that go to the moon.
But obviously that became science fact. I wouldn't be surprise someday if time travel will be possible or ships that can travel faster then light speed. Of course
their will always be Nay Sayers that will say it's impossible just like their were nay sayers in Jules Verne's time period.

How do you think Jules Verne was inspired? Ever seen a bird fly? Have you watched a turtle move from land to sea and back again? We even have examples in nature that exceed the speed barrier. What example can you draw upon that exhibits a property that would prove Einstein incorrect?
It is not nay saying, but it is a tad embarrassing that people refuse to familiarise themselves with basic known principals.