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[Stardrive]

Coffey, on 03 July 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

Oh wow that made me laugh hard. LOL

If nothing else, we can make each other laugh (keeps us from crying )

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Yeah it's just a shame every new PM wants to try and prove themselve to the US goverment. Like it's a popularity contest. it's like they don't care about the British people, just how much they cna prove to the US how good they are. It's so sickening to watch.

I wasn't aware of that. But then again, I don't get local UK news so I don't get to see any of the shmoozing going on. There's a channel on cable that aires the British Parliment debates that I watch from time to time. Most of the time it's someone in a high chair painting some poor chap, down on floor level, into a corner. I watch as the poor chap on the floor skillfully dodges, deflects, and spins a long winded yarn without ever answering the question posed....  just like the politicians here do!

As far as I'm concerned Great Britain has only 2 things to prove to the US, and that's 1. notta 2. damthing. So that may be for some localized reason why they go on about it, but I can only speculate as to why.

[Stardrive]

spud the mackem, on 23 June 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Especially when the "lap" dog is a British Bulldog . cheers

The words "draw back a nub" do come to mind. cheers

[Babe Ruth]

As far as Julian Assange goes, as an american citizen I can only plead with the Ecuadorian people and government to rescue him from my criminalizing, assassinating, rendering government.

I hope they will protect a man who has done nothing but expose government crimes.

In an ideal world, he would be receiving the highest award.

[and then]

Babe Ruth, on 03 July 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

As far as Julian Assange goes, as an american citizen I can only plead with the Ecuadorian people and government to rescue him from my criminalizing, assassinating, rendering government.

I hope they will protect a man who has done nothing but expose government crimes.

In an ideal world, he would be receiving the highest award.

I also hope the Ecuadorians give him sanctuary.  The whole country is not much better than a prison on a human rights level.  Maybe cotton top can get a tan while Manning turns pale in solitary - now there's justice huh?  In an ideal world they'd share a cell with one toilet.

[Mr Right Wing]

Babe Ruth, on 27 June 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Biggest toys, and smallest moral authority.  Torturer to the world.  Drone Assassins-in-Chief.

That Britain is so tight with such murderers makes the Brits look bad.  That they condone the crimes of the US government makes them complicit.

Yes, I understand that it is men, and not angels, that populate the governments, but really, what happened to Nuremberg principles?

I personally think that after 9/11 the US should have dropped the bomb on Iraq and Afganistan.

Whether it be drone assassinations, torture or 'losing their masculinity' (lol) at Abu Ghraib prison the lot of them are getting what they deserve.

[Coffey]

Stardrive, on 03 July 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

If nothing else, we can make each other laugh (keeps us from crying )

Haha, yes of course!

Stardrive, on 03 July 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

I wasn't aware of that. But then again, I don't get local UK news so I don't get to see any of the shmoozing going on. There's a channel on cable that aires the British Parliment debates that I watch from time to time. Most of the time it's someone in a high chair painting some poor chap, down on floor level, into a corner. I watch as the poor chap on the floor skillfully dodges, deflects, and spins a long winded yarn without ever answering the question posed....  just like the politicians here do!

As far as I'm concerned Great Britain has only 2 things to prove to the US, and that's 1. notta 2. damthing. So that may be for some localized reason why they go on about it, but I can only speculate as to why.

Well one example which was recent; Cameron jumped at the chance to bomb libya and head the campaign. It was a relaly pathetic attempt to show the US what he was capable of and how much of a good boy he is. What made me laugh was the punch in the face from Obama when Obama supposedly said he preffered the French PM... LOL

Babe Ruth, on 03 July 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

As far as Julian Assange goes, as an american citizen I can only plead with the Ecuadorian people and government to rescue him from my criminalizing, assassinating, rendering government.

I hope they will protect a man who has done nothing but expose government crimes.

In an ideal world, he would be receiving the highest award.

Not a lot of people realise he saved a lot of lives in Africa from Tyranny as well.

He hasn't done anything wrong.

[Babe Ruth]

AND THEN

It appears you have a soul-mate in Mr. Right Wing!

I wonder if his mean-spirited view is also a result of christian upbringing?

One of the things determined by Philip Zimbardo in his Standford Prison Experiment was that humans can be divided into 2 groups--those who enjoy being prison guards, and those who (bizarrely) get into the prisoner role.  It does appear that you and him gravitate to the first category of values.

From whence?  Who knows?

[Stardrive]

Coffey, on 04 July 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

Well one example which was recent; Cameron jumped at the chance to bomb libya and head the campaign. It was a relaly pathetic attempt to show the US what he was capable of and how much of a good boy he is. What made me laugh was the punch in the face from Obama when Obama supposedly said he preffered the French PM... LOL

I guess you have your reasons why think the UK's campaign against Libya was a "show" for the US. It just seemed to me at the time that France jumped on that bandwagon first. I think Obama said he prefers French fries with his hamburger. Might have gotten mixed up there.

There is no ongoing attempt by the US to extradite Assange.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is not being targeted by the United States government, US ambassador Jeffrey Bleich says.
MR Assange has sought political asylum at the Ecuadorian embassy in London in an attempt to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations
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He fears removal to Sweden could lead to extradition to the US to face charges for WikiLeaks' release of secret diplomatic cables. But while visiting Mr Assange's home state of Queensland on Wednesday, Mr Bleich said the US has no plans to try to extradite him.

"I'm always surprised by the discussion about Julian Assange here, because for one thing, there has not been an indictment issued against Julian Assange," he told AAP during Independence Day celebrations in Brisbane.

Mr Bleich said investigations were centred around US soldier Bradley Manning, not Mr Assange, over the theft of classified information.

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[Coffey]

Stardrive, on 04 July 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

I guess you have your reasons why think the UK's campaign against Libya was a "show" for the US. It just seemed to me at the time that France jumped on that bandwagon first. I think Obama said he prefers French fries with his hamburger. Might have gotten mixed up there.

There is no ongoing attempt by the US to extradite Assange.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is not being targeted by the United States government, US ambassador Jeffrey Bleich says.
MR Assange has sought political asylum at the Ecuadorian embassy in London in an attempt to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations
.
He fears removal to Sweden could lead to extradition to the US to face charges for WikiLeaks' release of secret diplomatic cables. But while visiting Mr Assange's home state of Queensland on Wednesday, Mr Bleich said the US has no plans to try to extradite him.

"I'm always surprised by the discussion about Julian Assange here, because for one thing, there has not been an indictment issued against Julian Assange," he told AAP during Independence Day celebrations in Brisbane.

Mr Bleich said investigations were centred around US soldier Bradley Manning, not Mr Assange, over the theft of classified information.

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Hmm intresting.

So I wonder how much toruble he would be in with Sweden then?

I can't see the US really letting that go, the goverment where calling him a terrorist and everything at one point.

[Babe Ruth]

Good grief, Feinstein wants to prosecute Assange, straight up.  There's no question they hate his guts, he's made many of them out to be the liars they are.  He is, rather, the UNgovernment influence for the public.

Stardrive

There is no ongoing attempt by the US to extradite Assange THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT, maybe is what you meant to say.  Or perhaps, THAT YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT.

Somehow I feel I'm reading the same sort of sophistry advanced by Erik Holder when he claimed that due process does not mean judicial process?  Ain't that white of him, to tell the judges he don't need them no more?

I do agree with Obama's relations with the French.  LOL  

[TheLastLazyGun]

Babe Ruth, on 23 June 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Why is it that the British government comes across as sycophant to the US government?

From Downing Street Memo to the ongoing extradition of Julian Assange, it appears to many that the British government has no conscience.

Those (mainly consisting of the Left) who don't want a suspected rapist to face trial are the ones with no consciences.

[TheLastLazyGun]

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it was done so Maggie could ride in a Chieftan...!

It was done because the Argies invaded the Falklands.

[Stardrive]

Babe Ruth, on 04 July 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Stardrive

There is no ongoing attempt by the US to extradite Assange THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT, maybe is what you meant to say.  Or perhaps, THAT YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT.

Can't extradite someone without an indictment. That's a fact and anything beyond that belongs in the conspiracy forum.

[Coffey]

Just to comment again on this, he did NOT Rape anyone.

He jsut supposedly did not use a condom while having sex with 2 different woman. (Who both gave consent to sex and both where OK for him to not use a condom) In Sweden they class not using a condom even when there is consent as rape... (unless it's to produce a baby, not 100% on how this works though)

The Question is, why have 2 woman actually came forward abotu this when they gave consent? Now that is the real question. The one that is making Julian Assange question the the situation. Can you blame him?

Edited by Coffey, 05 July 2012 - 12:14 PM.

[Babe Ruth]

Stardrive, on 05 July 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

Can't extradite someone without an indictment. That's a fact and anything beyond that belongs in the conspiracy forum.

If that statement is true, why are the Swedes trying to extradite him when he has not even been charged?

Do you think that some things in governmental affairs happen "behind closed doors"?  Why was the Downing Street Memo embarassing for both governments?