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#16    Mystic Crusader

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:47 PM

View PostDying Seraph, on 28 June 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

The Bible conveys that Jesus appears to be making these statements on the cross. I understand what you are saying. Bear in mind it's not my intention to portray what I did as factual as I doubt it is, but that it's recorded Jesus said this while on the cross. And if so it conveys to me nothing of the mighty savior we are to see in him and his God it appears he doubts at this moment. It conveys the humanism in the mighty figure we get of Jesus. In fact we get a few different scenarios of Jesus hanging on the cross this one I presented is most fascinating to me because it conveys a sense of desperation into this poor human suffering.

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Maybe he had it coming to him.

Thomas Paine wrote in The Age of Reason that “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous execution, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God."
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:01 AM

View PostDying Seraph, on 28 June 2012 - 04:52 AM, said:

How was "his message" (in quotations because we really don't know what Jesus had in mind let alone if what is written in the Bible as attributed to being said by Jesus was really stated by Jesus at all) any more original than anyone else?
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:09 AM

View PostDying Seraph, on 28 June 2012 - 05:26 AM, said:

that the gospels were written so many years after...

Even those closest to him appear to have not gotten him or missunderstood him. Peter, Jesus's rock of the church himself appears to have been one that missundertsood Jesus most. So if they didn;t get him in his life time? WHat makes you think the claims attributed to him are real?

For Jews that were expectign a warrior like messiah to free em...hasn't happened.

When you say all eyes will bow and every tongue confess that he is God. You don't mean Jesus correct? As that would be sacrilage to equate Jesus to God so I can only imagine you mean the God of Jesus to be the correct God so that's why you follow Jesus?

It's not exactly my intention to argue his existance at all either. The fact remains many were willing to die for such matters conveys that whether one wants to accept it as real or not people were willing to die for it and thus believed it to be real. Thank you for the post. :)

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Hello Dying Seraph,

If God had sent Jesus to the world, Jesus would have fulfilled his mission, and I think this mission was to bring souls back to God(?). I believe he's an intermediary of God(?), but not God(?), Itself, especially since there's a Second Coming, at least according to his followers. That's not a sign of being "one" with God(?) via Nirvana. It is safe to assume that Jesus is around; therefore, he is still in duality mode.

It would take another Jesus to understand Jesus.

Knowing the nature of Jesus and those attributed to him are two separate issues.

Why would a "real" God(?) want to conquer this MATERIAL world? Spirituality is to get us out of this world, after all, and be one with God(?).

We can only go by the gospels and the Shroud of Turin, but the above documentary makes bold claims. HISTORY CHANNEL's The Real Face of Jesus is also a good one to check out. At any rate, Christianity is standing the test of time, and to mystics like myself, that says a lot. Interesting that science is becoming a major tool.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:29 AM

idk he died in one of the most horrific ways possible just so others could be "saved", so just for that he should get mad props.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:59 AM

Jesus was probably conveying the ephemeral nature of the flesh in a graphic way because somehow, something so shocking sticks to the mind (and I think at that time, it was one of the more intense way to die, and anything less would have been ignored) -- just like the Buddhist monk who set himself aflame during the Vietnam War era.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:08 AM

View PostHavocWing, on 28 June 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

I've known people who violently turned tables over, there is nothing pleasant about them.
On the other hand i have known many pleasant people, who when provoked, or with good reason, violently turn tables over and do far worse. A violent turning over of a table, even a killing, can be a positive thing. It depends what is  in the person's heart and mind.

Edited by Mr Walker, 30 November 2012 - 11:10 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.




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