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[star.seed]

So, I took this online test which was really really LONG!! It's apparently the Jungian Personality test as it said. According to it I am INFJ type which is supposedly rare (it said like 1% of the population has INFJ type personality). It describes this type as Caring, Sympathetic towards others, trusted, good listener, peace loving people, whereas on the other hand it turns out that Hitler and Osama Bin Laden had INFJ personality type as well. How were they peace loving? Just a thought, not that I knew them personally, I don't know how were they apart from how were they portrayed to us.

[Cybele]

I've taken the Meyers Briggs several times. I don't know how reliable they are, as the middle two letters have often changed for me--seemingly in accordance with my mood. My first letter's always "I" for "introverted", though. I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

Edited by Cybele, 03 July 2012 - 08:01 PM.

[ChloeB]

star.seed, on 03 July 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

So, I took this online test which was really really LONG!! It's apparently the Jungian Personality test as it said. According to it I am INFJ type which is supposedly rare (it said like 1% of the population has INFJ type personality). It describes this type as Caring, Sympathetic towards others, trusted, good listener, peace loving people, whereas on the other hand it turns out that Hitler and Osama Bin Laden had INFJ personality type as well. How were they peace loving? Just a thought, not that I knew them personally, I don't know how were they apart from how were they portrayed to us.

I almost made a thread about this once.  I was stressed out and anxious and went to therapy a few times and they gave me a test there, not an online one, but I am an "idealistic philosopher", INFP. http://www.personali...e.com/INFP.html

Here's a pretty good page she was looking at with me, has all 16:
ISTJ - The Duty Fulfiller

Serious and quiet, interested in security and peaceful living. Extremely thorough, responsible, and dependable. Well-developed powers of concentration. Usually interested in supporting and promoting traditions and establishments. Well-organized and hard working, they work steadily towards identified goals. They can usually accomplish any task once they have set their mind to it.
Click here for a detailed description of ISTJ.

ISTP - The Mechanic

Quiet and reserved, interested in how and why things work. Excellent skills with mechanical things. Risk-takers who they live for the moment. Usually interested in and talented at extreme sports. Uncomplicated in their desires. Loyal to their peers and to their internal value systems, but not overly concerned with respecting laws and rules if they get in the way of getting something done. Detached and analytical, they excel at finding solutions to practical problems.
Click here for a detailed description of ISTP.

ISFJ - The Nurturer

Quiet, kind, and conscientious. Can be depended on to follow through. Usually puts the needs of others above their own needs. Stable and practical, they value security and traditions. Well-developed sense of space and function. Rich inner world of observations about people. Extremely perceptive of other's feelings. Interested in serving others.
Click here for a detailed description of ISFJ.

ISFP - The Artist

Quiet, serious, sensitive and kind. Do not like conflict, and not likely to do things which may generate conflict. Loyal and faithful. Extremely well-developed senses, and aesthetic appreciation for beauty. Not interested in leading or controlling others. Flexible and open-minded. Likely to be original and creative. Enjoy the present moment.
Click here for a detailed description of ISFP.

INFJ - The Protector

Quietly forceful, original, and sensitive. Tend to stick to things until they are done. Extremely intuitive about people, and concerned for their feelings. Well-developed value systems which they strictly adhere to. Well-respected for their perserverence in doing the right thing. Likely to be individualistic, rather than leading or following.
Click here for a detailed description of INFJ.

INFP - The Idealist

Quiet, reflective, and idealistic. Interested in serving humanity. Well-developed value system, which they strive to live in accordance with. Extremely loyal. Adaptable and laid-back unless a strongly-held value is threatened. Usually talented writers. Mentally quick, and able to see possibilities. Interested in understanding and helping people.
Click here for a detailed description of INFP.

INTJ - The Scientist

Independent, original, analytical, and determined. Have an exceptional ability to turn theories into solid plans of action. Highly value knowledge, competence, and structure. Driven to derive meaning from their visions. Long-range thinkers. Have very high standards for their performance, and the performance of others. Natural leaders, but will follow if they trust existing leaders.
Click here for a detailed description of INTJ.

INTP - The Thinker

Logical, original, creative thinkers. Can become very excited about theories and ideas. Exceptionally capable and driven to turn theories into clear understandings. Highly value knowledge, competence and logic. Quiet and reserved, hard to get to know well. Individualistic, having no interest in leading or following others.
Click here for a detailed description of INTP.

ESTP - The Doer

Friendly, adaptable, action-oriented. "Doers" who are focused on immediate results. Living in the here-and-now, they're risk-takers who live fast-paced lifestyles. Impatient with long explanations. Extremely loyal to their peers, but not usually respectful of laws and rules if they get in the way of getting things done. Great people skills.
Click here for a detailed description of ESTP.

ESTJ - The Guardian

Practical, traditional, and organized. Likely to be athletic. Not interested in theory or abstraction unless they see the practical application. Have clear visions of the way things should be. Loyal and hard-working. Like to be in charge. Exceptionally capable in organizing and running activities. "Good citizens" who value security and peaceful living.
Click here for a detailed description of ESTJ.

ESFP - The Performer

People-oriented and fun-loving, they make things more fun for others by their enjoyment. Living for the moment, they love new experiences. They dislike theory and impersonal analysis. Interested in serving others. Likely to be the center of attention in social situations. Well-developed common sense and practical ability.
Click here for a detailed description of ESFP.

ESFJ - The Caregiver

Warm-hearted, popular, and conscientious. Tend to put the needs of others over their own needs. Feel strong sense of responsibility and duty. Value traditions and security. Interested in serving others. Need positive reinforcement to feel good about themselves. Well-developed sense of space and function.
Click here for a detailed description of ESFJ.

ENFP - The Inspirer

Enthusiastic, idealistic, and creative. Able to do almost anything that interests them. Great people skills. Need to live life in accordance with their inner values. Excited by new ideas, but bored with details. Open-minded and flexible, with a broad range of interests and abilities.
Click here for a detailed description of ENFP.

ENFJ - The Giver

Popular and sensitive, with outstanding people skills. Externally focused, with real concern for how others think and feel. Usually dislike being alone. They see everything from the human angle, and dislike impersonal analysis. Very effective at managing people issues, and leading group discussions. Interested in serving others, and probably place the needs of others over their own needs.
Click here for a detailed description of ENFJ.

ENTP - The Visionary

Creative, resourceful, and intellectually quick. Good at a broad range of things. Enjoy debating issues, and may be into "one-up-manship". They get very excited about new ideas and projects, but may neglect the more routine aspects of life. Generally outspoken and assertive. They enjoy people and are stimulating company. Excellent ability to understand concepts and apply logic to find solutions.
Click here for a detailed description of ENTP.

ENTJ - The Executive

Assertive and outspoken - they are driven to lead. Excellent ability to understand difficult organizational problems and create solid solutions. Intelligent and well-informed, they usually excel at public speaking. They value knowledge and competence, and usually have little patience with inefficiency or disorganization.
Click here for a detailed description of ENTJ.

http://www.personali...high-level.html

I don't know about Hitler and Bin Laden being that, were they tested?

[star.seed]

Cybele: I took several tests before of similar nature and all showed INFJ, but now am starting to think it's really not accurate. My psychology teacher once told me I was probably an INFJ but I never paid much attention.

ChloeB: Thanks a lot, so do you think it was anywhere near accurate about your personality?

[Armchair Educated]

Im a infj type as well

Edited by Ever Learning, 03 July 2012 - 08:26 PM.

[ChloeB]

star.seed, on 03 July 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Cybele: I took several tests before of similar nature and all showed INFJ, but now am starting to think it's really not accurate. My psychology teacher once told me I was probably an INFJ but I never paid much attention.

ChloeB: Thanks a lot, so do you think it was anywhere near accurate about your personality?

Oh yeah, dead on for me.  That site has sections about relationships and such, and it was crazy accurate for me on so much.  I took this written test though and it wasn't super long at all.  That's why I never made a thread because I didn't know where a reliable test was since I had mine given to me, but it I felt like was me exactly.  I mean it's a tool, to help you learn more about yourself, your strengths, your weaknesses.  I remember she looked up and said ISTJ's and I would not get along.

[diablo_04]

I'm ESTJ not bad lol

Edited by diablo_04, 03 July 2012 - 08:58 PM.

[little_dreamer]

I guess I'm an INFP - the Idealist.   I was too lazy to take the test though.

[eight bits]

There are a few issues here. One is the Jungian theory of types, another is the adequacy of the Myers-Briggs method for applying it, and maybe finally there is what uses people make of the four letters, which neither Jung nor the Myers-Briggs team is necessarily responsible for.

The theory exists independently of the test, and is largely descriptive. There is no reason why anybody, after learning what the six or eight core terms mean, couldn't be very good at classifying people simply by talking with them. In the case of historical figures, if you have good biographical data about them, then you can probably do a good job classifying them at the time for which you have data.

However, whether historical figure or living person, nobody "is" INFJ. It's not a life sentence, at best, it's a snapshot. Iit is hard to think of anything less Jungian than for anybody to identify themselves with a string of letters. Only accidentally would Hitler or Bin Laden "have been" whatever string for a very large proportion of their lives. It's entirely possible that they, like anybody else, might have been that way at some time in their lives, and not at others.

Stance (the first "letter") is a different kind of thing than function (the next two letters, and the fourth letter is an odd way to code something else about a function, and that coding is specific to Myers-Briggs). Stance plausibly is more persistent through life than function. For one thing, it is easily and immediately balanced. If you are a conscious introvert, then there is no problem having an "unconscious extrovert." All that would really need to change in individuation is to become familiar with that other stance which may well already be there anyway.

Function is different. It's skills, two complementary pairs of skill sets. If you have a strongly dominant function, then that's great. That allows you to develop that skill set. The danger, of course, is that you never develop its complement, or perhaps overlook the orthogonal pair as well. Unlike stance, a function you don't develop stays undeveloped.

So, you should change over time. And, unlike stance, you don't have an unconstrained selection about what skills you will need in life. If all goes well, you currently emphasize the function that works best for you in the problems you actually have at the present time. Ideally, you'd have all four functions well developed,whether or not they are in use right now.

Which is another problem with assesment. The Jungian issue is state of development, a matter of potential usefulness. That can be assessed by looking what you actually did recently when confronted by a certain kind of problem you actually had and were concerned with, ideally a problem rich enough to reveal where you are in all four functions (or if the theory is right, where you are in any orthogonal pair). That's an open-ended assessment, and clearly would benefit from the analyst asking focused questions about the specific challenge you faced, and how.

Myers-Briggs doesn't directly assess functional development. It's heavily based  upon authobiographical recall, with a hope that your recalled solutuion behavior fairly reflects the underlying state of development. I'm not saying that that's an unrealistic expectation on average, just that it introduces an additional issue besides the Jungian theory of types. For example, the instrument may be assessing what functions you have actually needed to use recently, rather than how developed each function actually is.

Finally, I have less enthusaism for that "horoscope page" than Chloe does. If it worked for her, then that's great. But it doesn't have even the flavor of the Jungian notion of dominant finction. There are reasons why INFP's and ISTJ's (or more generally, same stance, but "opposite" functionality) might not "get along." On the other hand, there is a tremendous opportunity to learn. But do it quickly, since you might present a problem which the other person deals with by meeting you halfway, and develops one of their functions by learning from how you deal with them.

In which case, Uncle Carl would be very pleased.

Edited by eight bits, 04 July 2012 - 07:03 AM.

[schizoidwoman]

I have taken this test a few times at work and the like and always came up as ISFJ, today was no exception; contrary to the write-up though, I am anything but a gifted interior decorator!

[Englishgent]

star.seed, on 03 July 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

So, I took this online test which was really really LONG!! It's apparently the Jungian Personality test as it said. According to it I am INFJ type which is supposedly rare (it said like 1% of the population has INFJ type personality). It describes this type as Caring, Sympathetic towards others, trusted, good listener, peace loving people, whereas on the other hand it turns out that Hitler and Osama Bin Laden had INFJ personality type as well. How were they peace loving? Just a thought, not that I knew them personally, I don't know how were they apart from how were they portrayed to us.

I am sorry, but exactly how do they know that Hitler and Bin Laden were INFJ personality types. Please dont tell me that they both took the test!  


edit...'Just a thought' (to quote the op lol)........is Star.seed the next person to have a go at world domination?

Edited by Englishgent, 04 July 2012 - 07:49 AM.

[eight bits]

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I am sorry, but exactly how do they know that Hitler and Bin Laden were INFJ personality types. Please dont tell me that they both took the test!  

Whether or not they were. at some point in their lives, INFJ's is a factual question. The Myers-Briggs type of test is one way to classify a lot of people with acceptable accuracy and specificity at relatively low cost. It is not the only way, and it is not the preferred way if money is no object (which it always is).

The good news is that for many recent historical figures, there is lots of documentation of decisions they actually made. The question is how they arrive at their "fact-like" and "prferernce-like" contributuons to the solutions they adopted in some decision. The bad news is that, apart from stance, the rest is labile and changes with time and circumsatnces. "Lifetime average" functionality is meaningless.

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is Star.seed the next person to have a go at world domination?

The theory has nothing to do with the contents of the choices you make, but only with the cognitive resources you had available to you to reach the decision. Bin Laden is not an INFJ (if he was at whatever time we're talking about) because he talked some other losers into flying airplanes into buildings. Rather, Bin Laden thought it was good idea for some other losers to fly airplanes into buildings after "internalizing" the problem, and relying mainly on one kind of resources rather than another kind for his fact-estimates and value-estimates.

The same decision could have been reached by other deliberative mechanisms; the same deliberative mechanisms could have led to different decisions. A lot of INFJ's who looked at the collapsing towers, the burning Pentagon and the wreckage strewn across the farmers' fields disapproved. Many INFJ's died in Hitler's camps, or in his adventure in the Soviet Union.

Edited by eight bits, 04 July 2012 - 08:35 AM.

[Englishgent]

eight bits, on 04 July 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Whether or not they were. at some point in their lives, INFJ's is a factual question. The Myers-Briggs type of test is one way to classify a lot of people with acceptable accuracy and specificity at relatively low cost. It is not the only way, and it is not the preferred way if money is no object (which it always is).

The good news is that for many recent historical figures, there is lots of documentation of decisions they actually made. The question is how they arrive at their "fact-like" and "prferernce-like" contributuons to the solutions they adopted in some decision. The bad news is that, apart from stance, the rest is labile and changes with time and circumsatnces. "Lifetime average" functionality is meaningless.



The theory has nothing to do with the contents of the choices you make, but only with the cognitive resources you had available to you to reach the decision. Bin Laden is not an INFJ (if he was at whatever time we're talking about) because he talked some other losers into flying airplanes into buildings. Rather, Bin Laden thought it was good idea for some other losers to fly airplanes into buildings after "internalizing" the problem, and relying mainly on one kind of resources rather than another kind for his fact-estimates and value-estimates.

The same decision could have been reached by other deliberative mechanisms; the same deliberative mechanisms could have led to different decisions. A lot of INFJ's who looked at the collapsing towers, the burning Pentagon and the wreckage strewn across the farmers' fields disapproved. Many INFJ's died in Hitler's camps, or in his adventure in the Soviet Union.

Not exactly an exact science then is it.  In other words, we should just ignore any of the results? I bow to your superior knowledge in this matter Eight Bits  

[markdohle]

star.seed, on 03 July 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

So, I took this online test which was really really LONG!! It's apparently the Jungian Personality test as it said. According to it I am INFJ type which is supposedly rare (it said like 1% of the population has INFJ type personality). It describes this type as Caring, Sympathetic towards others, trusted, good listener, peace loving people, whereas on the other hand it turns out that Hitler and Osama Bin Laden had INFJ personality type as well. How were they peace loving? Just a thought, not that I knew them personally, I don't know how were they apart from how were they portrayed to us.

This test does not tell you what you are, but just your strong point, what you use to navigate life....the undeveloped aspects are what need to be developed, if I understand Jung rightly.  I always come up as INTJ when taking the test.....

Peace
mark

[star.seed]

Thanks everyone! I am usually skeptical about all these, yes some of the traits mentioned for an INFJ type, I have. The reason I posted this beacuse no way can Hitler or Bin Laden be peace-loving or what not. And I googled INFJ types and it showed me the names of pssible INFJs which included Hitler, Bin Laden, Plato, Nelson Mandela and all that, and Englishgent, don't worry, I usually hate being dominated by anyone myself, so I would probably be the last person planning on world domination.

And thanks Eight Bits for the wonderful facts!