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[starlight77]

Last winter Russia and China gave a strong warning to the United States about any military action against Iran.The two countries flatly said they would intervene with their military forces because a strike from the United States against Iran would be like a strike against their countries and they would be ready and willing to carry their military actions to level World War 3. Do you really think these two nations would be willing to  drop nuclear bombs on millions of people? When was the last time you heard countries give an Armageddon scenario such as this? What can we do as everyday citizens to help bring about peace and safety for mankind's future?

[booNyzarC]

The odds for WW3 to happen are extremely slim.  We live in a different world than we did 50 years ago.  Any rogue nation on the planet who decided to take aggressive actions on such a scale would be taken down in short order by some coalition of other nations.

Despite all of the bloodshed that we see still happening even to this day, we are living in an era of peace.  Relatively speaking.  And from a 'big picture' point of view, it's only going to get better from here.

Cheers.

[MichaelW]

No, probably because Russia isn't that stupid and China doesn't want to loose billions in investments in the United States as well as one of their largest markets for Chinese products. Russia only sees Iran as an ally purely for what it sees as leverage in the volatile Caucusus region, although I seriously doubt that it is the sole reason to back Iran.

[Stellar]

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Any rogue nation on the planet who decided to take aggressive actions on such a scale would be taken down in short order by some coalition of other nations.

Because when one nation is dropping nukes on another, other nations are clearly just eager to jump in on that?

We have countries out there which commit incredible human rights atrocities and others stay out of it because they don't want to get involved. What makes you think that these countries will want to get involved in a nuclear war against superpowers who can conceivably kill millions of their own people?

[booNyzarC]

Stellar, on 04 July 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

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Because when one nation is dropping nukes on another, other nations are clearly just eager to jump in on that?

We have countries out there which commit incredible human rights atrocities and others stay out of it because they don't want to get involved. What makes you think that these countries will want to get involved in a nuclear war against superpowers who can conceivably kill millions of their own people?

I didn't say anything about nukes.  If you're worried about that happening, I feel for you.

[Super-Fly]

if there was a third world war, it would go nuclear.
blood is a big expense...!

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starlight77, on 04 July 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

Last winter Russia and China gave a strong warning to the United States about any military action against Iran.The two countries flatly said they would intervene with their military forces because a strike from the United States against Iran would be like a strike against their countries and they would be ready and willing to carry their military actions to level World War 3. Do you really think these two nations would be willing to  drop nuclear bombs on millions of people? When was the last time you heard countries give an Armageddon scenario such as this? What can we do as everyday citizens to help bring about peace and safety for mankind's future?

Welcome to UM starlight77.  I follow these things closely and I have no recollection of any statement of that kind being made.  Both countries mentioned how dangerous and unpredictable such an attack would be but they only obliquely implied they would intervene.  Neither would risk a nuclear confrontation over Iran.  That's not to say there wouldn't still be dreadful consequences from such an action by the US or Israel.  But Israel has a different perspective of how dreadful an Iranian bomb would be so who knows?  Sorry to dispute you on your first post but in this place you learn soon enough to post supporting documentation or be very clear you are speaking a personal opinion
As to what we can do to bring peace I think it is as it always has been...weakness invites adventurism and strength deters war if anything can.  Again - welcome to UM!

[booNyzarC]

Super-Fly, on 04 July 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

if there was a third world war, it would go nuclear.
blood is a big expense...!

This is precisely why there won't be a third world war.  The era of "world wars" has long since passed.

We still have a lot of learning to do as a species and there will be a lot of growing pains to deal with along the way, but the type of conflict that comes with a "world war" won't come to pass again.

[the L]

Iran will never been attacked because it would be end of USA.

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booNyzarC, on 04 July 2012 - 11:43 PM, said:

This is precisely why there won't be a third world war.  The era of "world wars" has long since passed.

We still have a lot of learning to do as a species and there will be a lot of growing pains to deal with along the way, but the type of conflict that comes with a "world war" won't come to pass again.

I think you're right about that but with the weapons we have today it doesn't require the kind of well thought out mobilization and effort brought to bear to have a global conflict. A couple of countries with nukes and a crappy leadership situation...throw in a miscalculation or two...

[Stellar]

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I didn't say anything about nukes.  If you're worried about that happening, I feel for you.

My apologies then. The OP was talking about dropping nukes, and you mentioned "actions on such a scale".

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This is precisely why there won't be a third world war.  The era of "world wars" has long since passed.

Indeed. Our new era is one of conflicts and clandestine wars.

[starlight77]

and then, on 04 July 2012 - 11:34 PM, said:

Welcome to UM starlight77.  I follow these things closely and I have no recollection of any statement of that kind being made.  Both countries mentioned how dangerous and unpredictable such an attack would be but they only obliquely implied they would intervene.  Neither would risk a nuclear confrontation over Iran.  That's not to say there wouldn't still be dreadful consequences from such an action by the US or Israel.  But Israel has a different perspective of how dreadful an Iranian bomb would be so who knows?  Sorry to dispute you on your first post but in this place you learn soon enough to post supporting documentation or be very clear you are speaking a personal opinion
As to what we can do to bring peace I think it is as it always has been...weakness invites adventurism and strength deters war if anything can.  Again - welcome to UM!

Thanks for you're welcoming and as far as factucal documentation is concerned what I said about China and Russia willing to go to World War wasn't my speculation it's what I have read the last 6 months otherwise I wouldn't have started a topic about this Mid east situation.
This following quote came from The European Union Times December 3, 2011:
A military general from the Chinese National Defense University says China should not hesitate to protect Iran even if it means launching World War 3. As US warships are dispatched to the region amidst heightening tensions.
According to NDTV a Chinese news station based outside the country in regard to recent speculation that Iran would be the target of US Israeli military assault. Major Zhang Zhaozhong commented that China will not hesitate to PROTECT IRAN EVEN WITH A THIRD WORLD WAR.
So don't criticize my opinions I'm only relaying what I have read from other news sources.

Edited by starlight77, 05 July 2012 - 01:40 AM.

[Knight Of Shadows]

the sooner the better

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starlight77, on 05 July 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Thanks for you're welcoming and as far as factucal documentation is concerned what I said about China and Russia willing to go to World War wasn't my speculation it's what I have read the last 6 months otherwise I wouldn't have started a topic about this Mid east situation.
This following quote came from The European Union Times December 3, 2011:
A military general from the Chinese National Defense University says China should not hesitate to protect Iran even if it means launching World War 3. As US warships are dispatched to the region amidst heightening tensions.
According to NDTV a Chinese news station based outside the country in regard to recent speculation that Iran would be the target of US Israeli military assault. Major Zhang Zhaozhong commented that China will not hesitate to PROTECT IRAN EVEN WITH A THIRD WORLD WAR.
So don't criticize my opinions I'm only relaying what I have read from other news sources.

No criticism intended.  Just hadn't seen any such reports.  As to China's intentions I guess anything is possible but committing to a global war over a partial oil supply doesn't seem rational and if the Chinese are ANYTHING...they are rational. Unlike the Islamists in Iran.  Personally, I think if Israel attacked, Iran wouldn't even counter with their own forces.  I think they'd probably use proxies in Syria and Lebanon (Hizbullah).  Of course I could be full of it also !  Seriously, I think we are headed for a very serious conflict in the ME but I just don't think it will spread beyond the region. That's my prayer anyway.  Again...no offense meant.

[wittyusernamefailed]

I wouldn't be surprised if China were to demand some sorta quid pro quo concerning Taiwan in exchange for looking the other way with Iran, but I hardly think WW3 would be the result if things flare up. NOw as for how much dmg can Iran actually cause to Nato, well depends on how Kamikaze they go, they have craptons of biological and nerve gas stockpiles, thousands of rockets ranging from single stage Scuds, to several stage platforms. Enough air def to cause major headaches for the nonstealth parts of the airforce. As well as loads of antishipping hardware for the navy. Add to that the proxy element ( though Hezbolla and Lebanon as a whole have recently been taking out of the equation due to Iran bungling up their relations with them over Syria)

tl,dr : Iran can hurt Nato severely if it goes balls to wall, but at the risk of total destruction of their country.