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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:12 PM

View Posteight bits, on 09 July 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

The only persons who won't interpret some acoustical perception-event as the serious possibility that God spoke to them are those who die (or lose their hearing, etc.) too soon, and those who couldn't hear God speaking to them if he did speak to them. Everyone else, literally everyione else, will have the experience.
I have heard voices out of thin air a few times in my life.  Maybe 3.  I never associated them with a God though.  They didn't makes sense as such.  For example, when I was 4 I heard my father say, "I'm hooooome!" as he usually did, yet he didn't actually arrive home from work until half an hour later.  When I heard the voice I went to greet him but there was no one there.  I told my mother but she dismissed it without giving it a second thought.


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:18 PM

View Posteight bits, on 09 July 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:



No, what we actually know for a fact is .........

Ha!
I missed the word " can" out of my post and sent you off on one.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:11 PM

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I have heard voices out of thin air a few times in my life.  Maybe 3.  I never associated them with a God though.  They didn't makes sense as such.  For example, when I was 4 I heard my father say, "I'm hooooome!" as he usually did, yet he didn't actually arrive home from work until half an hour later.  When I heard the voice I went to greet him but there was no one there.  I told my mother but she dismissed it without giving it a second thought.

That's fairly typical.

What's inevitable is for a hearing person to hear voices mistakenly once in a while. How any particular incident is interpreted will depend on the setting and the set, as well as beliefs about the range of possible sources, and how similar experiences have been interpreted in the past.

In other words, credally consistent interpretation of experienced sensation is the essence of rationality and the hallmark of mental health.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:54 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 09 July 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

God communicates in many forms. Those include a particular inner voice (which is different to the many other inner voices which express themselvs to me as part of my multiple intelligences; eg the voice of logic/ reason, the voice of emotion, the voice of intuition,  the voices of philosophy ethics moralities etc.) I jave learned through long learned expereince ot both recognise and obey this voice instantly. That instant obedience has saved my life on many occasions and that of my wife on a number, also.
Second, god can and does speak out loud  using created sound waves so that i and others can hear him. This may emanate from an avatar of god like a being of light or a  an angel appearing as a human being.
Or the external and physical voice may simply come out of thin air.  (as can physical manifestations of god, appearing like a hologram or a transmat   arrival)

I know the voice of god because it provides specific warnings information, lessons, and instructions or predictions, which could not come from my own individual consciousness or any of my inner voices. For example a voice speaks to me and says, "stop now, because in 15 seconds a red truck is going to run the red light at the next intersection, and if you are entering it you will be killed"

So i pull up on the green light and sure enough a red truck  cuts across the intersection where i would have been. That sort of thing happens regularly,  and much more on a minor scale.
God can and does speak to me through other humans. I have had a number walk up to me and say "god told me to tell you this " God also communicates in visions dreams etc. Again the nature of these dreams is made evident by their accuracy and clarity of prediction Finally, god can communicate using natural things like a radio or television, especially where there is a need to convince a number of people who might not believe my inner voice of god, but can't deny the  reality of  the voice of a radio or tv announcer

Oh, but the most common form of communication is a sort of "vulcan mind meld", by which god simply implants knowledge, power, strength, courage, calmness, etc., into my mind. No words or even visual imagery is required. It is as if i now have knowledge which i learned, but it has been placed directly into my mind. It is this form of knowledge which allows me simply to know where lost or stolen objects are  and to know what is in the minds of others, on occasions.
Ps the voice of god in trees and naturee is another form  of the voice of god but i do not use that much. It is verifiable by listening to the voice of trees and then geting other peole to listen to the Each tree tells different people/listeners the same story and uses a similar voice for each listener I once had a tree tell me the winner of that years melbourne cup and made a few dollars on it. Another one told me the winner of that years brownlow medal (australias main football medal. And i dont even follow the football) Those too  IMO are voices of the universal god or the cosmic consciousness.

PS unlike most i have a certifiable and complete bill of health both psychologically and neurologically. There is nothing crazy about talking to or listening to a being who gives great power and gifts.

I too have had similar experiences, but I have attributed it to the soul rather than specifically to god.  Really, it's probably the same thing and we just use different terminology, but I think of the soul as partially seperate from god as I view any such being as more of a passive force (as related to this universe) and that the only direct interaction is usually carried out by the soul - if people listen to it.

I've had very strong impressions that I shouldn't take a specific route to get to a certain place, at times when I've ignored the impression I've either been in an accident or a near miss, times when I took the alternate route were uneventful.  At one time I knew there would be a deer in the road, and there was one around a bend that had I not said anything before the bend, we probably would have hit.

The reason I attribute it more to a soul / collective unconsciousness is because it most often involves other people... I know what they're thinking or they respond to something I've not said aloud, I know when someone is going to call me, things like that are the most common.

The information I get usually isn't so much in words as it is impressions or images.  I almost never hear a voice telling me things - audibly or in my head - I just know.  It's the same way I get ideas for my artwork too, the images just appear in my head, like I'm seeing a photograph or stillframe of something.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:50 PM

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Being schizophrenic is another way of being that isn't conducive towards being a productive member of society.  If it was, we would train our children to become schizophrenic and that would be the social norm.

Let's just let society dictate to us what our disorders are?   Pfft.  The psychiatric explanations are no more compelling than the religious ones to me.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:12 PM

If God chooses to speak to you, you don't need to specially do anything. If you choose to speak to God, fasting may help to show your sincerety though.

If God chooses to speak to you He will first have to prove to you that He's God. That's why prophets are almost exclusively have supernatural experience through which God will give you the proof that He's God. He may give you something that you didn't even notice at first, or noticed that didn't what it meant to say. Then you may use the rest of your life to study who God is then all of a sudden you may notice that He gave you something which can actually distinguish Him from any other spirits. In some other situations, He may give you the proof which allows you to recognise that He's God right away.

But anyway before He actually choose to speak to you, He will first identify Himself or leave you with some clues that in you later study you'll be able to distinguish Him from any other spirits. The second characteristics of 'God speaking to you' is that He can confirm His own messages through futuric events. For example, He allows you to make of prophecy then make it come to pass as a proof that you are actually holding God's message. Actually if you are truly holding God's message, you will be able to see miracles after miracles, signs after signs, prophecies after prophecies till you no longer doubt. So whenver you doubt that whether it's your delutions, He will give signs and prophecies related to the message you are holding.

For an example, When God asks you to deliver a cup to a certain place. He properly will speak to you with a voice or give you a dream to instruct you what to do with the cup. On the other hand, you may doubt that may be the voice is your own delution, the dream may be just an coincidence. He will then confirm His own message by giving out miracles or prophecies (anyway exclusively brain-free and future-related). Say, He will give you another dream to say that "tomorrow when you wake up, you shall see that there's a crack in the cup you are going to delievered". So you woke up and found that the originally good cup suddenly is with a noticeable crack on it. Then you can doubt again to say that "perhaps the crack was already there that I just didn't notice". Then He will give yet another dream to say that tomorrow when you wake up, you shall see the crack disappears". So the next morning you would find that the crack was gone.


This is just the basics, He can actually convey truly complicated messages that it may go so complicated that if they may drive you insane if not delivered properly.


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:19 PM

I think some people mistake their own conscience as god.

“Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.” - Blaise Pascal

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:15 PM

History's great mystics, including Jesus Himself, have taught that many things can be seen or heard that mimic God and are anything but.

That includes voices, prophesies and miracles.

It's the human ego that lets us believe that "I" am even worthy of such things that allows us to be so taken in.


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:42 PM

The aspect of Luhrmann's work that involves prayer style, and especially students channeling Leland Stanford, Jr., is discussed here

http://uncertaintist...-from-stanford/

The blog article shows that in addition to the connections that Luhrmann herself makes among magical practices, prayer and the evocation of historical figures, there is a larger nexus that includes Jungian psychology, paranormal investigation, Tibetan mysticism and one of The Secret's source, Napoleon Hill.

I have also posted this link at the current (actually a few years old, but often revived) thread on tulpas, the Tibetan word for vividly experienced, apparently autonomous people and other beings that people have summoned up using the sorts of techniques Luhrmann investigates.

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=139077

One post (# 36) in that thread has linkss to other UM discussions of the thought-form phenomenon. Some of that discussion concerns the phenomenon as a potential comprehensive explanation for a variety of things that are debated here at UM, including the nature of religious experience and its origins. There are also excerpts from two classic reports, Alexandra David-Neel's "monk" (post # 22) and Carl Jung's Philemon (post # 34).

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 11:44 PM

View Postsolaries, on 09 July 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

I've had some of these experiences as well.  I didn't associate it with God per-se, but didn't know what to make of them either.  One is very similar to yours.  I was driving 4 friends to their homes in the early morning.  They were all fast asleep.  At a solid green light (had been for a while) I got this sudden compulsion to stop for no reason.  There was no one visible on the road (early morning) and no reason to do it, but I did it anyway.  When I hit the brakes, a motorcycle running a red light passed at very high speeds right through the intersection.  That cyclist would have certainly died if I didn't hit the breaks, and maybe someone in my car seriously injured or killed.

About people giving you messages.  I've had strangers turn to me and spontaneously told me things that were very relevant to my life at the moment on several occasions.  I talked about one in my thread on this section of the forum.

About the vulcan mind meld.  One time I was out with my cousin when we found out there was a family emergency.  We ran to my cousin's mom's car to go to it.  To our suprise his mother had bought one of those clubs you put on the steering wheel to protect them from theft.  It was a combination lock with 12 pegs that could be up or down.  Any number of them could be up or down according to the person who bought it.  The mathematical amount of possible combinations is in the millions.  Somehow I instantly knew the combination which involved 5 pegs down and 7 up in a non-obvious order. Dialed it in as if I had done it dozens of times before, removed the club and we were on our way.  My cousin absolutely astonished and saying "how is that possible?" the whole way.
According to experts ive spoken with, including psychologists and psychiatrists, such experiences are VERY common in humans In my case the nature contextaulisation and embedding of them over a period of time, led me to create and test some hypotheses i began considering as a child. As results vindicated these hypotheses i refined them. Eventually i was led to a workable but not exclusive hypotheseis by which I  live extremely successfully. I found that the more one opens onself to this consciousness the more it works with you and the more sensitive you become to it.  I found it very similar to the process of learning and utilising logical thought.
I had fogotten a similar experience with a 4 digit lock (10000 combinations .) A student in my class wanted to open another students guitar case which was locked with such a combination lock. I just "knew" the combination, and said, "try ****." The case opened and i was left trying to explain to the student how i knew the combination.

Edited by Mr Walker, 10 July 2012 - 12:09 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:05 AM

View Postkarmakazi, on 09 July 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

I too have had similar experiences, but I have attributed it to the soul rather than specifically to god.  Really, it's probably the same thing and we just use different terminology, but I think of the soul as partially seperate from god as I view any such being as more of a passive force (as related to this universe) and that the only direct interaction is usually carried out by the soul - if people listen to it.

I've had very strong impressions that I shouldn't take a specific route to get to a certain place, at times when I've ignored the impression I've either been in an accident or a near miss, times when I took the alternate route were uneventful.  At one time I knew there would be a deer in the road, and there was one around a bend that had I not said anything before the bend, we probably would have hit.

The reason I attribute it more to a soul / collective unconsciousness is because it most often involves other people... I know what they're thinking or they respond to something I've not said aloud, I know when someone is going to call me, things like that are the most common.

The information I get usually isn't so much in words as it is impressions or images.  I almost never hear a voice telling me things - audibly or in my head - I just know.  It's the same way I get ideas for my artwork too, the images just appear in my head, like I'm seeing a photograph or stillframe of something.
I agree with all this. I call it god because my expericne of the collective/cosmic consciousness is self aware self directed and reponsive It expresses a personal interest in me. I t has great wisdom/knowledge and power So I label it god. "God" is merely a human linguistic attachment to a human intepretation of information.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:10 AM

View PostHawkins, on 09 July 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

If God chooses to speak to you, you don't need to specially do anything. If you choose to speak to God, fasting may help to show your sincerety though.

If God chooses to speak to you He will first have to prove to you that He's God. That's why prophets are almost exclusively have supernatural experience through which God will give you the proof that He's God. He may give you something that you didn't even notice at first, or noticed that didn't what it meant to say. Then you may use the rest of your life to study who God is then all of a sudden you may notice that He gave you something which can actually distinguish Him from any other spirits. In some other situations, He may give you the proof which allows you to recognise that He's God right away.

But anyway before He actually choose to speak to you, He will first identify Himself or leave you with some clues that in you later study you'll be able to distinguish Him from any other spirits. The second characteristics of 'God speaking to you' is that He can confirm His own messages through futuric events. For example, He allows you to make of prophecy then make it come to pass as a proof that you are actually holding God's message. Actually if you are truly holding God's message, you will be able to see miracles after miracles, signs after signs, prophecies after prophecies till you no longer doubt. So whenver you doubt that whether it's your delutions, He will give signs and prophecies related to the message you are holding.

For an example, When God asks you to deliver a cup to a certain place. He properly will speak to you with a voice or give you a dream to instruct you what to do with the cup. On the other hand, you may doubt that may be the voice is your own delution, the dream may be just an coincidence. He will then confirm His own message by giving out miracles or prophecies (anyway exclusively brain-free and future-related). Say, He will give you another dream to say that "tomorrow when you wake up, you shall see that there's a crack in the cup you are going to delievered". So you woke up and found that the originally good cup suddenly is with a noticeable crack on it. Then you can doubt again to say that "perhaps the crack was already there that I just didn't notice". Then He will give yet another dream to say that tomorrow when you wake up, you shall see the crack disappears". So the next morning you would find that the crack was gone.


This is just the basics, He can actually convey truly complicated messages that it may go so complicated that if they may drive you insane if not delivered properly.

Absolutely correct.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:13 AM

View PostShabd Mystic, on 09 July 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

History's great mystics, including Jesus Himself, have taught that many things can be seen or heard that mimic God and are anything but.

That includes voices, prophesies and miracles.

It's the human ego that lets us believe that "I" am even worthy of such things that allows us to be so taken in.

There is also a saying about "by their fruits shall the know them " I use that to make logical conclusions about any instruction i get from god. ANd These gifts are a aprt of the hman expericnes not unique to anyone special

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:17 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 09 July 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

I had fogotten a similar experience with a 4 digit lock (10000 combinations .) A student in my class wanted to open another students guitar case which was locked with such a combination lock. I just "knew" the combination, and said, "try ****." The case opened and i was left trying to explain to the student how i knew the combination.
Whenever I try to tap into this source by will power, it doesn't work - I only feel emptiness in its place.  I think I can never want it to happen.  It comes when it comes.  "it" decides when it's going to message me.  If there's an intelligence behind it, such as "God" as you refer to it, that makes sense.  About God, from my experiences with my spirit I don't feel any institutionalized religion I've encountered is close enough to what I sensed there.


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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:41 AM

View Postsolaries, on 10 July 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

Whenever I try to tap into this source by will power, it doesn't work - I only feel emptiness in its place.  I think I can never want it to happen.  It comes when it comes.  "it" decides when it's going to message me.  If there's an intelligence behind it, such as "God" as you refer to it, that makes sense.  About God, from my experiences with my spirit I don't feel any institutionalized religion I've encountered is close enough to what I sensed there.
This is much my own experience. It takes no effort, in fact as you point out if you have to think about it, it wont work; and it comes when needed, but not on demand. Amd yes I chose a form of religion which suited me, but none is required. The relationship with, "the source/god/ the cosmic consciousness" is a personal, one on one thing, which requires no institutionalised framework unless you want to add, or choose, one.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.




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