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#61    Bedeekin

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:37 PM

Kevink...

Lucid Dream Exchange is a great site...

http://www.dreaminglucid.com/

The book by Robert is one of the best out there...

Also...

http://dreamstudies.org

Ryan Hurd was the advisor to Chris Nolan on inception. :yes:

Both of these are great resources.

The first thing you probably need is a dream diary.

http://www.astralpul...28.0.html;wap2=

Edited by Bedeekin, 01 August 2012 - 08:38 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 09:38 PM

View PostBedeekin, on 01 August 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:



Oh I am aware of that! Very aware. Nothing is new here. Nothing.


You mean nothing for you... Don't you Bedeekin?

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:38 PM

View PostBedeekin, on 01 August 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Something happened to me metaphysically and in doing so transformed me physically a year gone may 1st. A really big thing... something that seemed to be a eukranium (Karma) based payment for all the work I've put into helping others and the non-physical exploration I have done for the last 2 decades. This happened with no prior belief system or knowledge of chakras. So through that it has proved to me that Spiritual transformation leading to physical manifestation can be achieved without any occult or new age philosophy. It is just natural.

I have never once said that one needs a belief system to 'awaken' or do any of this. I have constantly stated that belief systems hold people back, and are the reason why many hit the glass ceiling or go into metaphysics riddled with fear based complications. I intimately know the process of how belief systems breakdown when one does awaken, and perceives a reality without these 'programs' and 'constructs'.   Some can't handle it and go back to sleep, others embrace it knowing they have finally stepped into their true form. Your awakening is personal to you and how it happened is unique for you, no two individuals experience the same thing in this regard, right ?  My awakening was unique and very personal to me and the circumstances around mine, well, i haven't seen anyone mirror what i went through. What i experienced profoundly didn't come from belief systems or dogma. It actually came around a time when my life couldn't have been more upside down.  You know, part of this is having the compassion and respect to recognise that not everyone experiences or is meant to as you do.

If someone's awakening for them is the result of breaking down all their barriers and their pre conceived beliefs, then that is a truly profound experience for someone to have. Maybe for them that is how it was to be because they needed to learn something or they chose it to be that way. For someone else their awakening may be about breaking down their ego and learning that ego does not control everyone and the consciousness. We don't know what kind of life each person may have had or what issues life has led them to metaphysics or been thrown at them to fuel their growth? we have no idea what so ever unless we sit down and ask questions. But the worse most arrogant thing possible is to just blindly assume or make pre judgements on what is going on with a person and what is shaping their perceptions/looking glass of the world.

Not everything comes from a story or a belief driven system, but belief systems and dogma definitely pop up to capitalise on or control the masses with, once something becomes experienced or known. But experience is always where it starts and there is always an element of raw experience to anyone in what they are conveying, and that is the part you want to bring out and empathise with in people.

Right from the start you excersied that on me, i recognise it when it happens and you failed to pick up from my responses that should have been enough to show that i was talking from raw experience, not book smarts or text knowledge.  Your mind made was up that i was some sort of hippie new age occulist throwing out philosophies like a drone and you couldn't be further from the truth.     

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If Chakra work or energy work was important... how did I manage to transform my physical self and well being without any knowledge of its workings. This is a genuine question and I really want to know.

Who knows ??? and who is to say that it won't come into your reality one day? maybe it never will and that is fine too.

You know we are all made up for different roles here, putting all the pieces of the puzzle together.  Energy work and healing work is not for everyone and i would be the first to say that.  But for some people that is where their natural understanding or talent lays, just like mine was and so for those who are already hooked up to the energetic awareness, and living with feeling raw energy/energies day in day out, or activate it by the simple action of trying to astral project, then there is a place for energy awareness related methods. And no none of this is a narrative from a text book, or playing pretend that we should pretend there is this chakra system on our body. This is how you are viewing it, but it is not what is happening. The way i talk about energy related things is from total complete raw experience. No books and if the method doesn't gel with a person that is fine, it's not for them, and there are plenty of other methods they can try.

For me ever since a child i have known what energy is, and had a innate connection to sensing the energies around me and of others and talking to the deceased. People call it empathy and clairsentiance as well, not my labels obviously, but as a child i just knew it as energy and there being more than just a physical level of consciousness and awareness. I have never been religious, i have never followed the teachings of any group or cult, nor started my own group. I don't need or use structured belief systems or worship to explore metaphysics and my own personal journey.. But do i recognise that in order to communicate effectively with people and productively, sometimes you have to resort to metaphors and metaphors that they will explicitly understand.

Language needs to be used appropriately to find a middle ground of understanding so that information can be shared and imparted with meaning, and it is another thing completely to start insisting your terminology and goal posts on people.  I get it, that from reading your discussion on the virtual reality thread that your perspective is influenced by quantum theories and you like to relate language wise like a computer or a empirical program. And for a percentage of people they will absolutely love that and really be able to relate to how you express your comprehension on things. For others, that kind of language will go way over their heads and for others they many want a more "soul" related perspective. And that is fine too. There is literately hundreds of different ways to convey the exact same thing and being that human nature is so diverse there is room for hundreds and hundreds of methods, metaphors and techniques.

Edited by bLu3 de 3n3rgy, 02 August 2012 - 12:07 AM.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:49 AM

Why can you take three children and give them the exact same task and they will never complete it in the same way or in the same amount of time. Because they make small choices, or are not as good at the task, or don't like the task...or whatever. In the end the result you get may not be exactly what you wanted but they finished the task (in their minds).

Considering none of us truly knows what our task is, or what the end result expected of us is, or even if all of our tasks are the same, or even if there is a task, using the same tools to get the job done doesn't make much sense. But then, disregarding a freely available tool out of hand simply because you did not use it, does not make much sense either. You might not need a sponge to rake the yard, but you will be happy for it come time to do the dishes.

As with all things in life YMMV (your mileage may vary), meaning, don't expect your trip to be exactly the same as anyone elses.

Edited by SpectralEdge, 02 August 2012 - 06:52 AM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:31 PM

What am i suppose to see when astral projecting? And still haven't done it :( I'm starting to set my alarm at 3am 5am 7am and get up at 10:30am. i'm using this on my last week of summer before school. What should i do during these times? Just go back to sleep?

Edited by kevink, 17 August 2012 - 11:32 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:04 AM

Ok right now I feel my legs vabrating :) or it's my blood moving fast :/  It feels somewhat light and worm, and I only feel it in my lags.

Well It's gone now :( but in the middle of it my right foot feels cold :/

Edited by kevink, 18 August 2012 - 03:20 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:55 PM

Hey guys so I think I had an OBE but I'm not sure..

So I was in a dream can't remember what it was about but I think I came out of the dream somehow and then I felt like I was on the edge of my bed trying to get in my body I think. I could not see anything it was all black. So I got scared thinking the something might get me if I dont get back in, and just thought about myself going in my body and then I woke up.. Again I do not know if I had a dream about wanting to astral project.

I remembered this one but not any of my dreams I had last night.

Edited by kevink, 21 August 2012 - 02:56 PM.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:41 PM

I just remembered that i think i was on my knees but could not stand up like the other obe I had were i could not feel my other half.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:03 PM

Sounds like you took a peek out of your body. The blackness and fear of something in that blackness that might get you, is you experiencing the trigger of "fear of the unknown."  It is the most primal and primitive reaction that comes from your "reptile" brain.

This is something every being has to overcome. You have to learn to bypass it, or face it.  The fear level activates because your perceptions are "blind" and cannot understand or perceive your surroundings. This is where people end up perceiving all sorts of fear based "programming" because if there is 'no data input' of what is truly there, the ego part of the mind kicks in as a fall back system, filling the blanks in from ingrained belief systems/ societal programming.

In other words, don't let the fear of nothing, or blackness shape your experience. It's ok to perceive nothing and blackness for a while. If you can relax in that state and focus on projecting out of that blackness and remain from a calm perspective you will get past that level of blackness.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:53 PM

Yes don't  let that blackness worry you.  many experience it nothing bad happens.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:47 AM

I know that nothing can hurt me but i guess my sub conscience doesn't know?


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 04:30 AM

View Postkevink, on 23 August 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

I know that nothing can hurt me but i guess my sub conscience doesn't know?
Learn to Cultivate a calm observers perspective as if you were watching a movie.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:32 PM

I'll keep trying! :)


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:27 PM

How would i train myself to leave my dream and astral project from there?


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:42 PM

Is it easy to astral if one is tired since it is easy to get relaxed when you lay down???





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