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[DieChecker]

dragon15066, on 19 July 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Sorry everyone. I just found that the updates and new post e-mails was going to my spam folder.
Here is my link to those contradictions and it will leave you wondering how this has gone on for thousands of years.
http://templeofenki....radictions.html

I think your contradictions depend on the Context of each quote. The contradicting quotes may be years apart. Thus, I think it likely many of them are contrived.

Is that a pic of Jesus on your site? Or is it your real master?

jmccr8, on 20 July 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

If I recall correctly,the bible says that unless your name is in the book of life of the Lamb that you will be judged buy the book of Acts.This would suggest that if one had not heard of Jesus,and  if that individual lived a righteous/virtuous life that they would be accepted into heaven.Judgement is made on our choices in life.
jmccr8

Revelations seems to say that 144,000 of the previous Chosen People will be saved. And many other experts think that those who died before Jesus are "grandfathered" into heaven, or paradise, or Abraham's busom, or whatever you want to call it. And then there are the children and infants.... And all that is not counting the Catholic Purgatory. Another theology I've heard is that everyone who has died is dead right now, not in heaven, but DEAD. And only after Revelations and the judgement of the dead, will everyone be allowed the chance again to profess Belief and be welcomed into the Kingdom.

[lightly]

I've heard that theology too DieChecker... in fact, isn't the belief that Everyone that has EVER died has to stay dead until the Second coming of Christ ?   .. then the great resurrection and judgement day and bake sale happen all at once ?


*** And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
—Revelation 20:12-15

Edited by lightly, 01 August 2012 - 12:57 AM.

[greywolf]

Judas was a traitor. he sold out for 30 pieces of silver. he knew he messed up,so he hung himself. perter was crucified "upside down"as he requested,because he felt he was'nt worthy to be crucified the same way as jesus. i believe in the bible and it's my opinion only. it's good to question things sometimes because it peaks peoples interest.

[Arbitran]

greywolf, on 01 August 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Judas was a traitor. he sold out for 30 pieces of silver. he knew he messed up,so he hung himself. perter was crucified "upside down"as he requested,because he felt he was'nt worthy to be crucified the same way as jesus. i believe in the bible and it's my opinion only. it's good to question things sometimes because it peaks peoples interest.

Do I really keep having to point out the multiple accounts of Judas' death? Why does everybody seem to gravitate towards the hanging? I personally find that falling over in a field and having his bowels spilt out is far more interesting than a boring old hanging. The author probably did too...

[dragon15066]

Believe it or not, I am not offended by postings like this. I thought EXACTLY as you do. I had no intention of changing my beliefs. But after such a long hard look at what the ancient records say, therre was no other conclusion. The Biblical god is Enlil, the Biblical Satan is actually his brother Enki. He was not cast out, but he did rebel against the councel of the gods when "I tried to kill them with sickness, and you gave them medicine, I gave them drought, and you taught them how to irrigate water, I gave them no warning of the coming flood, and you showed them how to build an ark" Enlil said to Enki, and this lead Enlil to conclude that if humanity is always saved by his brother, then the source of all must want man to live on, Please do the research, you owe it to yourself. Also, did you know that the far ancient sanskrit language, which came far before even the OLD Testament, used the name Satan often. It means, in their language "Truth"

Time Spy, on 29 July 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

I don't speak for God, and neither of us were there, then.  That culture was rasing their children to bear children and sacrfifice them in fire at their birth, while to YOUR god of darkness, who hates and kills ALL.  Soon you will meet him in hell and see for yourself.

He didn't 'test' Abrahams loyalty, he merely let Abraham test his own values in life.  Had God let Abraham actually go through with killing Issac, Abraham would have turned the knife upon himself, thus many nations would not be here today.   Those cultures that the Israelites killed were teaching their young to kill babies, while on a daily basis, as a sacrifice to YOUR god of darkness.  Get it straight, 'reasearch' pfft whoosh, then blow off some steam.

[dragon15066]

Arbitran, on 01 August 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Do I really keep having to point out the multiple accounts of Judas' death? Why does everybody seem to gravitate towards the hanging? I personally find that falling over in a field and having his bowels spilt out is far more interesting than a boring old hanging. The author probably did too...

We must remember that the very first books of the New Testament were not written until over a century passed. Look up Isis as she is the original and replaced by Mary in the Bible. There are over 20 deitys that died and was reborn. thousands of years before Jesus. The stories are almost exact!

[dragon15066]

lightly, on 01 August 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

I've heard that theology too DieChecker... in fact, isn't the belief that Everyone that has EVER died has to stay dead until the Second coming of Christ ?   .. then the great resurrection and judgement day and bake sale happen all at once ?


*** And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
—Revelation 20:12-15

Then that would mean that every human being who was raised in other countries or before the Bible would go to hell. If you were born in Indea even 200 years ago, you would never hear about anything Biblical. I guess they burn to then.

[Arbitran]

dragon15066, on 01 August 2012 - 03:47 AM, said:

Believe it or not, I am not offended by postings like this. I thought EXACTLY as you do. I had no intention of changing my beliefs. But after such a long hard look at what the ancient records say, therre was no other conclusion. The Biblical god is Enlil, the Biblical Satan is actually his brother Enki. He was not cast out, but he did rebel against the councel of the gods when "I tried to kill them with sickness, and you gave them medicine, I gave them drought, and you taught them how to irrigate water, I gave them no warning of the coming flood, and you showed them how to build an ark" Enlil said to Enki, and this lead Enlil to conclude that if humanity is always saved by his brother, then the source of all must want man to live on, Please do the research, you owe it to yourself. Also, did you know that the far ancient sanskrit language, which came far before even the OLD Testament, used the name Satan often. It means, in their language "Truth"

I would ask, firstly, as a Hindu myself, where precisely the word satan is used in the Sanskrit writings? The Sanskrit word for truth is satya. Could you be confusing it with Sanatan[a] Dharma? This means, roughly, "Eternal Way". I can't say much as to whether Enlil and Enki are represented in the Tanakh, but either way, I just thought I would make that note.

[THE INTERPRETER]

dragon15066, on 14 July 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

I have just created and posted a new page for the Temple Of Enki site Temple Site. This page deals with the validity or the deception used at the time the crucifixion was supposed to happen. Who, if anyone was crucified? Why is it written that Peter denied knowing the man in Roman custody when they asked him to confirm that the prisoner was Jesus? Why did Judas spend the last of his life in a Roman prison when he could have told the Romans what they wanted to know...was the man crucified really Jesus, or an elaborate scheme to save Jesus from the cross? They did not know what Jesus looked like, so when they were told "this is he" they arrested him, but who did they arrest? And as important, who went to the cross? This and more at my new page: Crucifixion Re-Visited

dragon15066,

Your affinity of attempting to disprove an historical event, the act God bringing man back unto himself causes me to question your purpose.  Who is your master?

[THE INTERPRETER]

dragon15066, on 01 August 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

We must remember that the very first books of the New Testament were not written until over a century passed. Look up Isis as she is the original and replaced by Mary in the Bible. There are over 20 deitys that died and was reborn. thousands of years before Jesus. The stories are almost exact!

dragon15066,

There are manuscripts written within the lifetime of the apostles, well over 4,000, more than Plato or Socrates.

Also anyone who does research as you claim knows the best way to try and make something appear false is to create imitations to cause confusion.  Satan is the master of this, just as an evil time-traveler.

Again, who is your Master?

Edited by THE INTERPRETER, 01 August 2012 - 05:21 AM.

[Arbitran]

THE INTERPRETER, on 01 August 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

There are manuscripts written within the lifetime of the apostles, well over 4,000, more than Plato or Socrates.

Really? Where are these? And why haven't scholars had the privilege of having a look at them?

[Arbitran]

THE INTERPRETER, on 01 August 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

dragon15066,

Your affinity of attempting to disprove an historical event, the act God bringing man back unto himself causes me to question your purpose.  Who is your master?

The crucifixion of Jesus is far from a historical event; it's basically just hearsay of hearsay of anecdote at this point. It certainly isn't an accepted historical event, at any rate.

[The Gremlin]

dragon15066, on 01 August 2012 - 03:47 AM, said:

Believe it or not, I am not offended by postings like this. I thought EXACTLY as you do. I had no intention of changing my beliefs. But after such a long hard look at what the ancient records say, therre was no other conclusion. The Biblical god is Enlil, the Biblical Satan is actually his brother Enki. He was not cast out, but he did rebel against the councel of the gods when "I tried to kill them with sickness, and you gave them medicine, I gave them drought, and you taught them how to irrigate water, I gave them no warning of the coming flood, and you showed them how to build an ark" Enlil said to Enki, and this lead Enlil to conclude that if humanity is always saved by his brother, then the source of all must want man to live on, Please do the research, you owe it to yourself. Also, did you know that the far ancient sanskrit language, which came far before even the OLD Testament, used the name Satan often. It means, in their language "Truth"

I can see why you came to this conclusion, but its a bit simplistic....and so, erroneous.

Its a bit more complicated than that.

Best wishes.

[DieChecker]

dragon15066, on 01 August 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

We must remember that the very first books of the New Testament were not written until over a century passed.

That is simply not very likely. The styles, characters and such of the Gospels have been studied to the Nth degree and most are believed to have been written within 50 years of Jesus's death.

That the stories in the Old Testement came from older mythic traditions is not in doubt, but the New Testement contains far fewer references to old tradition, excepting parables and prophesys.

dragon15066, on 01 August 2012 - 03:47 AM, said:

The Biblical god is Enlil, the Biblical Satan is actually his brother Enki. He was not cast out, but he did rebel against the councel of the gods when "I tried to kill them with sickness, and you gave them medicine, I gave them drought, and you taught them how to irrigate water, I gave them no warning of the coming flood, and you showed them how to build an ark" Enlil said to Enki, and this lead Enlil to conclude that if humanity is always saved by his brother, then the source of all must want man to live on,

I can see where you would draw that comparison, but the stories of Enki and Enlil are many, and the story versions and lineages of both change basically from city to city and civilization to civilization. The names were fairly consistant, but all the details changed constantly. I don't think taking one version of maybe 40 or 50 versions and calling that the origin of Christianity is a bit of a stretch.

dragon15066, on 01 August 2012 - 03:55 AM, said:

Then that would mean that every human being who was raised in other countries or before the Bible would go to hell. If you were born in Indea even 200 years ago, you would never hear about anything Biblical. I guess they burn to then.

Not necessarily. The theology is that those who came before would basically get a chance to state Belief in Jesus as the Savior. And, if anyone who is raised from the dead and is standing in front of angels and Jesus and observing the miraculous constantly then choses to believe otherwise, sure they go into the lake of fire. What would you do, if you died, knew you were dead, and then woke up with Jesus standing there asking if you believe in him and if you wanted Salvation? Personnally, I'd say Yes. If I woke up and Mohammad was there, and he demanded me to convert or go to the flames, I think I'd convert in that instance too.

Jesus says the only way to Salvation is through Him. But was changing the Rules at the time. So, those that came before were saved according to their own rules. So figures like Abraham, Noah, Adam and Elijah can be saved if they were Faithful to the Lord at the time.

Then there is the Baby Arguement, where those who have never had the chance to hear about Jesus are judged not on their beliefs, but on their actions. So for example, Aztecs from the 16th century, if they were good people, who never got to hear about Jesus, would have a chance to get in.

Edited by DieChecker, 02 August 2012 - 12:43 AM.

[dragon15066]

The false imitations come from the three religions that rule the people. They are the ones that have imitated and twisted the Truth. Go back to 10,500 BCE and you will see that the Abrahamic faiths are newborns compared to the ORIGINAL texts that are far more detailed. 1 page in the Bible, is 20 pages in the original far more ancient past. The Abrahamic faiths have edited history and made it much much smaller, to be convenient. They swore they had the truth, but now discoveries are being made that have the truth. They buried the truth or tried to, they are a false imitation of the huge Truth that is real. They threw away 80% of the story and made it fit their agenda. THEY are the ones who are creating confusion. They use 10,000 years of "hidden knowledge" to blind. Fact is, these stories go back so far that it is obvious where they originated.

THE INTERPRETER, on 01 August 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

dragon15066,

There are manuscripts written within the lifetime of the apostles, well over 4,000, more than Plato or Socrates.

Also anyone who does research as you claim knows the best way to try and make something appear false is to create imitations to cause confusion.  Satan is the master of this, just as an evil time-traveler.

Again, who is your Master?

THE INTERPRETER, on 01 August 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

dragon15066,

There are manuscripts written within the lifetime of the apostles, well over 4,000, more than Plato or Socrates.

Also anyone who does research as you claim knows the best way to try and make something appear false is to create imitations to cause confusion.  Satan is the master of this, just as an evil time-traveler.

Again, who is your Master?