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[DieChecker]

Aren't the earliest Mesopotamean writting on clay tablets only 3200 BCE?

http://en.wikipedia....tory_of_writing

Where is this "Truth" written? I've never heard of any Mesopotamean writtings that are 10500 years old.

Edited by DieChecker, 02 August 2012 - 04:30 AM.

[The Gremlin]

dragon15066, on 02 August 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

The false imitations come from the three religions that rule the people. They are the ones that have imitated and twisted the Truth. Go back to 10,500 BCE and you will see that the Abrahamic faiths are newborns compared to the ORIGINAL texts that are far more detailed. 1 page in the Bible, is 20 pages in the original far more ancient past. The Abrahamic faiths have edited history and made it much much smaller, to be convenient. They swore they had the truth, but now discoveries are being made that have the truth. They buried the truth or tried to, they are a false imitation of the huge Truth that is real. They threw away 80% of the story and made it fit their agenda. THEY are the ones who are creating confusion. They use 10,000 years of "hidden knowledge" to blind. Fact is, these stories go back so far that it is obvious where they originated.

Unfortunately you seem to be under the impression that there is some conspiracy to 'hide the Truth'....a mistake.

10,500BC..?....Unfortunately you seem to be under the impression that Graham Hancock has something 'worthwhile' to say.

Some finer understanding of the historical period in question is required, and some appreciation of the cultural mechanics at work would give you a less 'coloured' perspective from which to view your source material.

In other words.....get a grip feller, and stop listening to death metal, whilst the likes of Slayer, Sepultura, Morbid Angel et al. are fun with their silly voices, scary lyrics, catchy tunes etc. Forming a world view based on them is folly.

[THE INTERPRETER]

dragon15066, on 02 August 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

The false imitations come from the three religions that rule the people. They are the ones that have imitated and twisted the Truth. Go back to 10,500 BCE and you will see that the Abrahamic faiths are newborns compared to the ORIGINAL texts that are far more detailed. 1 page in the Bible, is 20 pages in the original far more ancient past. The Abrahamic faiths have edited history and made it much much smaller, to be convenient. They swore they had the truth, but now discoveries are being made that have the truth. They buried the truth or tried to, they are a false imitation of the huge Truth that is real. They threw away 80% of the story and made it fit their agenda. THEY are the ones who are creating confusion. They use 10,000 years of "hidden knowledge" to blind. Fact is, these stories go back so far that it is obvious where they originated.

dragon15066,


You speak as one who knows Truth, then you would know that God was before Abraham and that the Bible is only an account of this present age.  

You say the false imitations are the three religions, how so?

Also, something being older does not mean it is not perverted.

[THE INTERPRETER]

Arbitran, on 01 August 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Really? Where are these? And why haven't scholars had the privilege of having a look at them?

Arbitran,

they are in Museums and Universities around the world, this is no secret, Scholars already have looked at them.

There is no secret to what the Truth is to them that seek it.

[THE INTERPRETER]

dragon15066, on 01 August 2012 - 03:55 AM, said:

Then that would mean that every human being who was raised in other countries or before the Bible would go to hell. If you were born in Indea even 200 years ago, you would never hear about anything Biblical. I guess they burn to then.

dragon15066,

You are in error, The Light reveals himself to all and those of the Dead who will be cast into the Lake of Fire choose it, God does not 'send' people to any place.  They that seek the Truth will find it, as it is written.  No one has said those who seek the Bible will find it, only Truth.

Many in China and India have come to know the Truth, that is Christ, there is no need for a preacher only a pure heart.

[Arbitran]

THE INTERPRETER, on 02 August 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Arbitran,

they are in Museums and Universities around the world, this is no secret, Scholars already have looked at them.

There is no secret to what the Truth is to them that seek it.

Could you cite any specific ones? Because I've never, EVER heard of them.

[dragon15066]

The reason I mentioned 10,500 BCE is not about Hancock, or ancient writings, but the evidence such as water erosion on the Spinx, the fact that 10,000 BCE it was in perfect alignment to the constellation Leo, the pyramids lined up perfectly with Orion's belt, and a huge number of sites around the world showing the same. This Earth was marked all over the globe that all show the advanced technology that went into it.

[The_Spartan]

Why bring the issue of water erosion on pyramids and leo constellations etc into a discussion about christ's validity? your are making it fringy. discuss on the plausibility of christ , not fringe evidences to prove it.

[The Gremlin]

dragon15066, on 03 August 2012 - 04:20 AM, said:

The reason I mentioned 10,500 BCE is not about Hancock, or ancient writings, but the evidence such as water erosion on the Spinx, the fact that 10,000 BCE it was in perfect alignment to the constellation Leo, the pyramids lined up perfectly with Orion's belt, and a huge number of sites around the world showing the same. This Earth was marked all over the globe that all show the advanced technology that went into it.

but those are Hancock's theories and arguments, and they are worthless.

I was pulling your leg about the death metal thing; but you need to check the validity of your sources in general, before lending them your backing, some are more reliable than others.

as someone else mentioned, dont rely to heavily on one or two of the mesopotamian stories....there are many, and their relationships with each other are varied. There are connections between some of them and Biblical stories, but to say God=Enlil, Satan=Enki is more misleading than it is true........especially when you attach value concepts like 'good' and 'evil' to them.

Returning to the crucifixion argument.....how does your theory deal with things like Jesus saying that he is the 'brazen serpent'....and 'lucifer' (morning star)?

Do you think he is saying that he is Satan? The Anti-Christ? Does that make him Enki? or 'son of Enki'.....like Marduk...?
Does that make God Enki? and Enlil the devil?.....or is it one of Enki's tricks to make Jews think he is God?

Or did he mean something else?

Edited by The Gremlin, 03 August 2012 - 08:49 AM.

[and then]

lightly, on 21 July 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Thanks for replying and then.   I was actually curious, for one thing, if you may have thought that Judaism was a viable alternative to Christianity ... guess not.   I appreciate your explanation.

  ( according to beliefs )
It always baffles me a little that although Jesus was obviously born and raised a Jew ,he is , according to the rules of "Christianity", the only one allowed in Heaven ?   ..""You 12 have been great but , sorry,   rules are rules     .. maybe later ok?""  
  
  .. the thief on the cross was promised paradise/heaven simply by saying that Jesus hadn't done anything wrong.

  .. I once made the mistake of telling my mother in law that Jesus was a Jew, and she immediately and loudly replied...
" No he wasn't!   He was the first Christian! "  
   I can understand that actually,  as the  life,death,and resurrection of Jesus,  made, or more precisely?,  IS , the New Covenant between God and Man.  
   ..
   Hi jmmcr8,   That's interesting about the ignorant of Jesus being judged acceptable by their own acts ..  by the book of Acts.   I'll have to forget to refresh my memory on that

Lightly I do not believe as Jews do even though I do believe that they worship the same God as Christians.  I came to faith in the Person of Jesus Christ.  I believe what He taught as best I understand it and I hate no other person for having different beliefs.  But I draw the line at islam because the "true believers" in that faith are violent and anti Christian in spirit.  Also, I get a bit perturbed at folks like the OP who seem to make a life study out of finding fault with what I believe.  Maybe that's silly of me but hey, I'm only human and people like this person seem more interested in tearing down than building up.  There's just too much of that in the world already.

[lightly]

thanks and then, for explaining your position.   I was curious about your stance on Judaism.

[The Gremlin]

and then, on 03 August 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

Lightly I do not believe as Jews do even though I do believe that they worship the same God as Christians.  I came to faith in the Person of Jesus Christ.  I believe what He taught as best I understand it and I hate no other person for having different beliefs. But I draw the line at islam because the "true believers" in that faith are violent and anti Christian in spirit.  Also, I get a bit perturbed at folks like the OP who seem to make a life study out of finding fault with what I believe.  Maybe that's silly of me but hey, I'm only human and people like this person seem more interested in tearing down than building up.  There's just too much of that in the world already.

couldnt someone just as easily say that 'true believers' of the Christian faith are violent, racist too? wearing white sheets and hoods, and hanging black men before burning crosses???

Thats right, its just as narrow sighted, bigoted, and wrong as your own statement.

It is not the 'true believers' of either faith that are nutters.....but 'extremists'.....they even exist in Buddhism.

[Quaentum]

dragon15066, on 03 August 2012 - 04:20 AM, said:

The reason I mentioned 10,500 BCE is not about Hancock, or ancient writings, but the evidence such as water erosion on the Spinx, the fact that 10,000 BCE it was in perfect alignment to the constellation Leo, the pyramids lined up perfectly with Orion's belt, and a huge number of sites around the world showing the same. This Earth was marked all over the globe that all show the advanced technology that went into it.

The alignment between Orion's belt and the pyramid, you believe in, never existed.  If you look back at the constellation of Orion 10000 years ago you find the stars aligned pretty much E-W instead of NE-SW as the pyramids are on Giza.  In fact you can see it in this post I found in another topic.

http://www.unexplain...95#entry4301530

You are using Hancock's incorrect conclusions.  if they were yours from the start you undoubtedly would have checked the alignment of the stars before posting.

[HavocWing]

docyabut2, on 20 July 2012 - 01:11 AM, said:

Poor jesus He was a comforter to the world and people keep on denying him.

http://dwindlinginun...not-fan-of.html

[THE INTERPRETER]

Arbitran, on 01 August 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Really? Where are these? And why haven't scholars had the privilege of having a look at them?

Arbitran,

Those who love the Truth will seek it themselves. You claim you are a Hindu?  What of this concept do you believe?


http://www.usatoday....eum_01_ST_N.htm