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[rednuke13]

I have always wanted to speak with someone that know's about "Ghost's" as I had a very very very strange experience last year (2011) before i move to Greece, even if i talk about it now I get goosebumps down my arm and the hair's on my neck begin to tickle.

I will try write the story to be as accurate as I can remember it and do bear in mind I am not a delusional character nor do I believe in religion or magic, I am a man of science and discovery.

It was late july, 2011, cheltenham UK. The year had been a cruel one and with not only the murder of an old friend and the loss of my business, the death of my grandparents and my dog, as well as a whole load of other crap,, I was feeling quite down.
My girlfriend at the time was a girl from Thailand who worked down at my friends bar, she was beautiful as can be but came with problems and was nothing but constant drain on my emotion's, I think due to her this night i was feeling even more down than usual.

Late into the night I would smoke high quantities of Marajuana and either watch movies or play video games with friends.
I was pretty down to be honest, I fealt sad.. I had lost so much and was wavering on the line of clinical depression.
Smoke after smoke after smoke was the only thing that kept my mind at peace.
But did I still hold my sanity ?
- Of course and despite my problems I have never had a history of such things nor have I ever been known to be of such a nature.
all in all i was going through a rough time.

It was a hot summer night, I think a saturday to be sure, so by now wqas early hour's sunday morning....

I had been in a deep sleep for hours but something made me wake up,, not slowly not gently...but fast
my eyes were open now, it was becoming light, not quite away from darkness but that bit in between. (I think about 5am)
Perhaps a full moon as the light was a pale silver

I fealt cold, really cold..... something eary about it all, i fealt I was not alone,
looking around my small apartment I could see the double patio door's out to the balcony were open and a soft wind blew through hitting the curtain's and gently blowing them around.
I took a deep breath, closed my eyes, began to relac... there was nothing else out of place or wrong.
....
A spider crawling up my leg, i could feal it under the quilt, which I then immediately threw off
... no spider, but on my leg a red scratch mark, it seemed fresh

My heart by this point began to beat, goosebumps and everything. I was freaked out a bit
-But my rational mind overcame me, i laughed it off rolled over and closed my eyes.

"WAKE UP" the voice echoed in my head, and not only that something hit me "in" the head, it poked me, not on my head.. INSIDE i could hear the echo of it touching me, it boomed it was like a slight pain, a finger jabbing inside of me at this certain spot somewhere.

I sat up straight, looking around the room...


The unclean plates and dishes left in the sink and around the kitchen area began to rattle, at first i wandered if there was a small earthquake going on, but nothing else was rattling just them, and the rattle seemed to move from one area to another.

((I didnt know what to do...but i knew i had heard a voice in my head...(now i dont know if it spoke to me in my head or through spoken voice)  I could hear real voices but i think they were from people roaming the street's after a night out on the town.
I could also hear the cries of seagull's flying around.

So i spoke

"Hello", I said...

it replied,

"I am lost, I have wandered in here it was an accident, show me the way out"

I replied,,,

"Your lost ?, then just leave the door's are open"

I heard laughing, it almost mocked me.
"Are you stupid ? dont you know how this work's ? .. You have to show me the way out, I cant leave by myself"

- I didnt feal scared, it was weird.. by this point i was amazed by it all.


I pointed towards the double door's that lead out to the patio
"That's the way out, was it the way you came in  ?"

It replied,
"Thankyou, all this wasn't here in my time, everything has changed, I just came in here by accident"

- the curtains began to move, now i was high up maybe four floor', so its not abnormal. BUT this is when it really get's interesting...


The voice spoke to me again,
but as it said it was leaving i said,

"WAIT, are you here to help me ?"

again it laughed, (at this point i noticed the voice was femanine before it was rough, deep and dark)

"Help you" ? -it laughed...

"Help you....can you not see I have problem's of my own"


I asked the girl if she knew she was dead i told her i thought she was a ghost, - at this point the room faded out black i could see nothing but the curtain;s at the patio door's blowing in the wind, they began to take shape It was as though i was in a cinema.

I saw a girl,, she was wearing victorian clothes i think this because of the bonnet on her head, and the way her skirt was, i fealt the sensation of a baker's or maybe a workshop with fresh wood chipping's.
she had blonde hair, she was young, clean clothes and beautifull eyes. I think about 16 years old

she was crying, like really crying i could hear her, infact it was like i was her that i was there i fealt sad, i could feel my eyes filling with tear's
It was horrible, i could see her face.


I saw a man beating her, she was raped from behind. somehow i knew this was a family member to her, maybe an uncle.
As she was being raped it was as though i was close to her face, I could see her face, the tear's i could sense the heat from her body the sunshine
from that came through the windows, the dryness of the table her body lay against.

the man behind her, was a lot older,,.,. he had a moustache, he had a hat on and an apron
I think at one point his face was close to her's i remember the sensation of his breath

the images changed shape to a rope hanging from a ceiling, i remember seeing the  the body hanging, gently moving.

The tear's and sound of crying stopped
she left.... the curtain's stopped moving,,,

SILENCE,,, nothing but seagulls calling into the morning light

I lay my head down completely in shock and amazement at what had just happend,
I was annoyed in some way's that it left so easily, I had wanted to invite her to lay in my bed and rest for a while as i fealt she was tired i wanted to help her somehow tell her it was going to be okay, hold her against my body show her there is compassion.

Was it real i thought ? I looked around ... I took a pen from my bed side table and some paper,, I wrote some word's about it.


I lay down, closed my eyes and went to sleep..

The next day when i woke up i looked around my apartment for any clues or sign's, could not find anything

however I fealt a lot better, i fealt as though I had experienced something "magic"


I told a few people including my girlfriend, who said i was crazy high off the weed and imagined it all.



but in my heart now, I know it happened. Even know i get massive waves of emotion rushing through my body when writing about it, I can recall every moment easily and i remember the feelings i had at the time.

The girl hung herself i am sure of it, she was raped and she killed herself for shame of it all, maybe he even killed her.







So there we go that's my story, please give me feedback on all of this.
As a further note I sometimes have Premonitions  of small event's I always have done since i was about 15-16 years old. nothing big, just strange little things that make no sense, they dont happen often and are very random.

Edited by rednuke13, 14 July 2012 - 02:41 PM.

[Sheetz]

All signs of sleep paralysis/lucid dreams.  Even the spider.  figures in your room, etc. as well as the voices too.  there are some great threads on it and from what I've read, you will even swear you were wide awake.

Among many other events relating to sleep paralysis and the beginning stages of astro projection which I haven't had the nerve to publicly write about it yet in here (I've PM'd two of the really experienced people/seers in this forum about it and are a huge help)

I even once had the spider incident. holy cow, I think I jumped so far out of bed in one motion fully awake, I hit the floor standing before the sheets even had a chance to settle. Can't stand spiders! LOL  There are others much more qualified in here to discuss the actual specifics of this and I'm sure they will chime in.  Know that what you experienced is not that uncommon.  Lastly let me say I'm sorry for all your losses, you went through one hell of a year. Literally I would say.  While smoking some good herb may calm the mind and give peace in that moment or even help you get to sleep when your mind is wraught with stress, also know that it does act as an additional depressant.  Take care and I look forward to reading more interpretations of your events.

Edited by Sheetz, 14 July 2012 - 02:42 PM.

[rednuke13]

agh thanks for the reply, ya know one thing i should point out is i smoked weed like all my life pretty much. until now as i livei n Greece I am married and have given up,.
but the point being look, im a solid guy, im straight forward and a man of science
I am doing archaeology work in Greece now and have no belief in religion, ghosts or paranormal.

Hell yesterday i was making notes on a Mycenaean tomb, and saw some glowing eyes inside it.. that was freaky !!! but i walked inside
and i chased that cat back out !!!!


furthermore i have no fear of spider's and can happily pick one up, im covered in the lil buggers half the time when im crawling around in the mud.. saying that i wouldn't be happy with one crawling over me in bed.


sleep paralysis, maybe so i already ponderd over this... But I was able to move around, i made notes with a pen and paper i was aware of the rattling noises from the kitchen and how they moved. the red scratch mark was still on my leg the next day, i showed it the girlfriend at the time
From what i understand of S.P the person can generally not move or speak,  I was not only able to move but also speak.. I also understand that S.P causes great fear and yet i fealt no threat or worry, if anything it was just an overall sense of empathy for this poor child

Edited by rednuke13, 14 July 2012 - 03:01 PM.

[Sheetz]

rednuke13, on 14 July 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

agh thanks for the reply, ya know one thing i should point out is i smoked weed like all my life pretty much. until now as i livei n Greece I am married and have given up,.
but the point being look, im a solid guy, im straight forward and a man of science
I am doing archaeology work in Greece now and have no belief in religion, ghosts or paranormal.

Hell yesterday i was making notes on a Mycenaean tomb, and saw some glowing eyes inside it.. that was freaky !!! but i walked inside
and i chased that cat back out !!!!


furthermore i have no fear of spider's and can happily pick one up, saying that i wouldn't be happy with one crawling over me in bed.


sleep paralysis, maybe so i already ponderd over this... But I was able to move around, i made notes with a pen and paper i was aware of the rattling noises from the kitchen and how they moved. the red scratch mark was still on my leg the next day, i showed it the girlfriend at the time
I dont think its possible to hallucinate this. All very strange but a deeply moving experience

Hey I hear you...and without going to deep into my experience, you have to do some reading over in the Astro Projection threads.  I learned some things about myself that actually started occuring when I was about 6 years old and continued until my early teens and then stop.  Nothing that seemed paranormal mind you...but all sleep related.  Not until only about a month or two ago did I have a sleep paralysis event, one and only time in my life....or so I thought.

Let me tell you this too.  I'm not afraid of spiders per se, I too can pick them up, let them crawl on me, etc.  But its something about being awkened to look down at your pillow and see it covered in crawling spiders that gives you a bit of a startle.  This was a one time event too that happened to me as an adult, and chalked it up to a bad dream....but I swear I was wide awake.

Anyhow, I too am a strong individual, question all things that I don't understand, am a skeptic about some things, a believer in others, and always keep an open mind. Not until I joined this forum a couple weeks ago, did I even read about the sleep stuff and I have to tell you, it completely shocked me.  I read countless posts describing this exact event that used to happen all the time when I was sick as a child.  When I was a kid I chalked it up to nightmares from my fevers.  Again, I read over and over this was the start to something else...it was like I was reading exactly what I had experienced, only didn't know what it was...in fact, I was never able to describe it to people my whole life and wtf, I was reading it here from dozens of people.  I had to delve in more!!!!  I thought it was a recurring dream but it clearly is/was not.  In fact, its anything but a dream in the typical sense of what dreams are.  I do dream and its usually vivid and involves people places and things in my life or some strange compilation of those things strung together....these events were not even visual in the sense of imagery or scenes.  it was all sounds, feelings, and a state of "being".  I never ever thought I would explore any of this information, but here I was reading more and more the last few weeks, jaw wide open on some of it. seriously.  I'm a guy who played sports my whole life, works out when I can, a single dad who doesn't have enough minutes in the day, is far too stressed for my age LOL, and does every-day-Joe kinds of things with friends and family....what's all this supressed sleep stuff that I was experiencing...I'm not that guy I thought.

I learned that not only does one feel and KNOW they are awake, but the experiences include everything you describe.  Voices talking to, call to you, uttering your name, discussions, figures in your room (from one to many), you (the person) being/seeming fully awake and even moving about your place, darkness with no ability to see or open your eyes, to seeing perfectly clearly.  It goes on and on, and therein lies some of the "symptoms"/actual events that are interlaced with sleep/dreams/paralysis/projection/etc.   Your conscious mind is incredible and may even be completely aware as your body sleeps and even resides in places in between or what others will describe as planes of consciousness.  Again, I can hardly summarize any of it in my post as I'm still taking it all in. It's mind boggling, that's why I hope some others like Seeker79 join in to help...if only to point you to their links which go in depth much better than I ever could.

When I joined this forum, it was for other topics, specifically paranormal and ghosts.  But around the same time, I had just watch the movie Insidious so I ventured over to some of the Astroprojection threads where I discovered unwittingly, the descriptions and experiences EXACTLY as I had when I was that small boy and it blew me away.  All by accident...I hadn't even thought about those "dreams" I had had for a good 20 years. And here people were talking about my experiences in THEIR own words. again WTF!!! right?!?!?  I PM'd someone in the know, and he guided me a little and gave me some incredible info.  I never thought I would be learning about myself and what had occured all those years ago, when I was simply here to learn some knowledge on ghosts and the paranormal.  It actually gave me chills.  Only then did I connect my more recent experience with sleep paralysis that it made sense. who knew!!!

Edited by Sheetz, 14 July 2012 - 03:20 PM.

[rednuke13]

yeh nice man, the mind boggles indeed we as humans are quite amazing really we do not know our full potential's...


I will recall now a story from when i was about.. hmm 16 years old


It was summer time in england,,, beautifull day and I was bored,.
My mother suggested i go find my father who was fishing at a local lake about 6 miles away
So i jumped on my 50cc suzuki motorbike (crosser not the moped.. lol i was a cool kid afterall)
and i raced off towards Withington to the lake,,

Now as i got got near to the locations, I started having flashes in my head.. images
they were really powerful

I could see a stoat, or a weasel, some kind of ferret maybe
It was white with a dark spot on it's body

I fealt it was important, really important


MANNN WTFFF !!! i was riding a motorbike,, i had to pull over i couldnt even really see the road properly it became dangerous.


As i pulled into a gateway, stopped the bike and pulled the helmet off my head, i looked down


and there it was...........

exactly as i had seen it,

the creature had been crossing the road, it stared at me for a short moment before running off.


NOW... im all open to the coincidence of this BUT i also have the distinct feeling that if i hadnt of pulled over and stopped
I would of killed the creature, or perhaps myself if i had come off the bike

I always fealt that that creature had a purpose and needed to live, for whatever crazy reason



*SHRUGS*



my dad said i should stop drinking cider

Edited by rednuke13, 14 July 2012 - 03:27 PM.

[orangepeaceful79]

So let me understand - you were high as a kite, stressed and depressed and you believe you were in a mental state that would qualify you to relate a truly objective eyewitness account?

[rednuke13]

orangepeaceful79, on 14 July 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

So let me understand - you were high as a kite, stressed and depressed and you believe you were in a mental state that would qualify you to relate a truly objective eyewitness account?

haha i know you have a valid point there, but look if you knew me in real life you would know that im a solid guy with very good judgement, weed doesn't really effect me like it does other's and i was although yeh a bit down and depressed, of sound mind.

look i know crazy people dont know they are crazy and it's probable that this was caused by a mixture of explainable circumstances

BUT

i open the option of this:


What if...........



because in my opinion, something paranormal happend, i don't think this was S.P. And i..to that day did NOT believe in the paranaormal in any way sense. Although i am open to the idea of ET's and UFO's, ghosts, god, afterlife and the bible are nonsense to me
I for one believe in Darwin and the atom

Edited by rednuke13, 14 July 2012 - 03:53 PM.

[drpaxton]

Wait, what??

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"The year had been a cruel one"

and

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"My girlfrind was beautiful but she came with problems"

Ha ha. This thing reads like a bad romance novel. Obviously a work of fiction. If you want people to take you seriously drop the melodramatics and talk in human terms.

Edited by drpaxton, 14 July 2012 - 03:56 PM.

[rednuke13]

look i have no reason to make things up, i have written it as to try and cover all angle's to show my frame of mind

YES i was stressed


YES i had a **** year 2011 ruined me, i lost everything from family, g/f, business partner, friend was murdered, money... everything !!! it was crapola to say the least.


YES my god she was fit,, but what a b**** ! and yeh that night i was really pissed off with her.
she was thai for god's sake, date a Thai girl youl understand what i mean




but as for the story itself, it happend as i wrote it, i promise

Edited by rednuke13, 14 July 2012 - 04:01 PM.

[Super-Fly]

Meh, like to see how this plays out.

Surely you can see peoples lack of trusting, high most of your life and on the cider.

Takes all sorts i suppose.

[rednuke13]

Super-Fly, on 14 July 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

Meh, like to see how this plays out.

Surely you can see peoples lack of trusting, high most of your life and on the cider.

Takes all sorts i suppose.

and yet i part own a bar in england, work in archaeology and live on the island of Kefalonia / Greece,
previously sold my finance company for over 200k. and have made all my wealth myself

I am not unsuccessful in life nor am i a drunk or drug addict.


infact i think of myself as quite normal...


I have never had any other strange paranormal experiences like this nor have i been looking for one. it's what happend ! and yes im aware smoking weed aint really good for you, im aware stress causes strange things to the brain

BUT.... this was beyond that this was very different.

I have never written about this experience before today and i have only told a handful of people, i am aware of how the story sounds and i know that starting it with "i was smoking a ton of doobie's one night when.....:" sounds.

but believe me I am a rational, intelligent person. well I like to think so anyway

Edited by rednuke13, 14 July 2012 - 04:31 PM.

[Super-Fly]

i like to think im the same too, being rational and all that.

[rednuke13]

the one thing that stands out is when the girl told me,


"it's not how it works"


"you have to show me the way out"



i wanna know if this is true... is this how it works with ghosts ?


if there is simular stories regarding this, or people know of it then this would be the part that makes me think

"**** yeah, it was a ghost"


BUT i think some form of S.P can never be ruled out, maybe it was just a living dream

Edited by rednuke13, 14 July 2012 - 04:38 PM.

[Sakari]

Late into the night I would smoke high quantities of Marajuana and either watch movies or play video games with friends.
I was pretty down to be honest, I fealt sad.. I had lost so much and was wavering on the line of clinical depression.
Smoke after smoke after smoke was the only thing that kept my mind at peace.


agh thanks for the reply, ya know one thing i should point out is i smoked weed like all my life pretty much.





Sorry, but that explains a lot.....I do respect your honesty and pointing that out though.

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Sleep paralysis and other effects of weed

Hi guys,

Since I quit weed, I have been experiencing sleep paralysis. It was happening frequently in the early times but it's still happening even after 8 months of soberity. What's more interesting is sometimes I'm also having sleep paralysis in my dream. And the dream before the sleep paralysis is being so vivid and like a nightmare, that eventually I'm waking up with mostly screaming.

I have never experienced this type of things before my weed problem and it's very interesting to see these affects even after 8 months and wondering the mechanism behing this. Any ideas?

By the way, as I experience and also read more about how these psychoactive drugs affect the mechanism of our brains and especially the subconsciousness which is a very important parameter for our mental healths, I am becoming more and more against the use of the drugs. Even if they might not be addictive for everyone. It's just too risky to use things that might corrupt the very mechanism of our brains. The consequences can really be catastrophic both for our lives and mental health and we might even not be aware of this.

http://www.forummatt...effects-of-weed

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the other night I was woken up around 6 in the morning from the television set. But I couldn't move! No matter how hard I tried my eyes were open but I could not look around. Couldn't move my fingers or toes. I was like a vegetable.

I panicked like crazy but you would never be able to tell by looking at me because I could not work my voicebox or open my mouth. My eyes started to hurt cause I couldnt blink.

After prolly 5 or 6 minutes, I calmed myself down and just counted backwards from 10 slowly and at one I tried twitching my fingers again and I was fine! I shot outta bed and started walking around like nothin happened. Here is what happened after I talked to the doctor about it:


When your body approaches REM (the dream stage in sleep) your spine secretes a liquid between your brain stem and the spinal chord so you wont act out your dreams. It keeps you from moving.

I woke up abruptly in the middle while still paralyzed. My body was still in REM but I was conscious. How weird is that?!

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Ive noticed a lot lately that many sorts of these "sleep" half/dreams (whatever you want to call them) have been apearing on this forum. Maybe weed makes thigns like this happen more.

http://www.marijuana...ralysis.256274/

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Marijuana's effect on lucid dreaming.
2 things I would like to say before making my original post
1. I am NOT a druggie!! I live in California and smoking is a very common pastime.
2. I KNOW there are a lot of theads on this forum (as well as on the internet in general) but I'm starting this thread because I wanted to insert my own experience and have a direct discussion with the community on this subject myself

OK so I know the orthodox opinion is that THC inhibits lucid dreaming, or makes it "tougher" to achieve. And I agree with that. However, "under the influence", people's minds generally tend to be substantially more creative, imaginative, etc etc... which can be extremely helpful in coming up with dream scenarios, and vividness of your imagination (if that makes sense).

Last night I smoked with friends, and then went to sleep on my friends couch (I had to unwind from that damn 3 hour bio Exam ).. anyway I slept right away but woke up a couple of hours later (I was still "half-high"), I was then like "HEY I can try to lucid dream".. so I tried to stay still and.... SLEEP PARALYSIS!!!! ... horrible horrible sleep paralysis (it was terrifying). It felt like it lasted for HOURS AND HOURS. Holy crap I even would fall into these weird dreams (non-lucid) and then back to S.P. I swear I went from sleep paralysis to non-lucid dreams like at least 10 times. I was so mentally exhausted when it was all over, I drank some milk and went back to sleep.

Although I hated that episode, I was thinking that maybe if I smoked again, and tried again, I could achieve it.. and could use the effect of marijuana to my advantage.

http://www.dreamview...reaming-124337/

[Sheetz]

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