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#1    Child of Bast

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:05 PM

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Police searching for two Iowa girls who haven't been seen for three days said they had no clue as to what might have happened to them.

Elizabeth Collins, 8, and her cousin, Lyric Cook, 10, were last seen around midday Friday, riding their bicycles in downtown Evansdale.
Police, now way past the crucial 24-hour window period, are working with federal authorities on what to do next.

"Every hour, you know, it makes it that much worse. The first 24 hours of course are very critical. We've obviously surpassed that now by quite a bit," said Capt. Rick Abben, a chief deputy with the Black Hawk County Sheriff's Office.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:09 PM

Hope there found all ok.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:10 PM

Things like this make me terrified for when I have kids. It's like you have to keep them in a bubble to prevent anything bad from happening these days.

I hope they find those girls. They deserve to be back home with their families.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:10 PM

Thank you for sharing. :)

Funny that you post something about Iowa. As many people know I'm making phone calls on a monthly basis to different departments working on Missing person cases, and last week I made a call to a small sheriff department in Iowa about another case.

Hopefully this story will have a happy ending.


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:40 PM

Nope I didn't know you were calling people about missing persons cases.

'A phantom,' said my Uncle Mycroft, who had just materialised, 'is essentially a heteromorphic wave pattern that gains solidity when the apparition converts thermal energy from the surroundings to visible light. It's a fascinating process and I'm amazed no one has thought of harnessing it - a holographic TV that could operate from the heat given off by an average-size guinea pig.' ~ First Among Sequels, Jasper Fforde

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:48 PM

I pray that they will be found safe but what are the odds of that?  It may be pointless for me to do so but I'm getting DAMNED MAD!!!  at these sick perverted SOB's killing the innocence of our country and destroying families just to satisfy their sick compulsions.  I have every confidence that God will deal with them in time but these cases make me want to hurt someone.....badly...  It's a damned shame when you almost hope to hear that the poor little ones drowned or something just because it's less horrible than what you've come to expect when you hear of these disappearances.  May God protect them and bring them safe home.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:50 PM

View PostLady Kasey, on 16 July 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

Nope I didn't know you were calling people about missing persons cases.

I know, but other members are aware of this. Last year we started a little group here on UM. Last year me and another member worked on a case from Alaska, and I worked on cases in California and some in Canada. Right now I'm looking at 2 cases from my Province of Quebec. :)

The case I was talking about is the case of Marc J. Allen, who disappeared in 1986, near Des Moines. He was 13 years old when he vanished.

Link: http://www.iowaonlin...ommand&id=16857


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:17 PM

View PostJonathanVonErich, on 16 July 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

I know, but other members are aware of this. Last year we started a little group here on UM. Last year me and another member worked on a case from Alaska, and I worked on cases in California and some in Canada. Right now I'm looking at 2 cases from my Province of Quebec. :)

The case I was talking about is the case of Marc J. Allen, who disappeared in 1986, near Des Moines. He was 13 years old when he vanished.

Link: http://www.iowaonlin...ommand&id=16857

What are the chances, if someone has been gone that long, of them being found alive?

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:08 PM

Heartbreaking. A parent's worse nightmare. Not knowing would be agony.
If this is the work of a repeat offender, what as a country do we need to do about this? Or, a pedophile in training who will most likely repeat offenses?

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:58 PM

View PostJonathanVonErich, on 16 July 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

I know, but other members are aware of this. Last year we started a little group here on UM. Last year me and another member worked on a case from Alaska, and I worked on cases in California and some in Canada. Right now I'm looking at 2 cases from my Province of Quebec. :)

The case I was talking about is the case of Marc J. Allen, who disappeared in 1986, near Des Moines. He was 13 years old when he vanished.

Link: http://www.iowaonlin...ommand&id=16857


What do you do when you work on them? Are you an investigator for the police in your province?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:49 AM

View PostxROCKIEx, on 16 July 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

What are the chances, if someone has been gone that long, of them being found alive?

Very slim, and if you talk with investigators working on cases like this that's what most of them will tell you, that chances are slim to find this person alive but we still need to know what happened to him/her.


View PostLady Kasey, on 16 July 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

What do you do when you work on them? Are you an investigator for the police in your province?

Independant investigator. Basically what I do is I call the police department working on the case, tell them about my background ( student in criminology at Laval, worked as an independant investigator/researcher on numerous cases, been working on missing person cases since many years, collecting data etc. ) and I share information I have found about cases that might be related to this particular case, info about crimes in the area, etc. Some investigators/officers are reluctant to talk about a case with an "outsider", but you'd be surprised to see how many of them are actually ready to talk about it over the phone and glad to do so. Most investigators here are asking me name of my teachers, the classes I'm taken, etc. The fact I study in criminology helps a lot, I guess some of the investigators feels like they are talking to one of "them".

I shared important information in the Kristen Modafferi case ( the possibility that she might have been a victim of serial killer Joseph Naso, an obscure killer from the area where Kristen disappeared in 1997 ), I also found interesting link between a case in Alaska and one in New Mexico, things like that. To me it's simply the best way to kill time; researching a cold case, researching the area and history of the city/county where the case took place, trying to establish links and connections between cases, talking about it with the detectives working on the case.....With school, my job and my girlfriend I don't have much time to work on cases now ( sadly ), but I always try to make 4 or 5 phone calls a month. At one point it was 2 or 3 a week, my phone bills were terrible. :D

The only problem I have is that I live in Canada. Most of the cases I have an interest for or worked on are from the United States, so the fact I live in another country is often problematic. In many occasions investigators told me about a certain area, a certain place etc., but because I live in Canada my options are very limited. :(

That's why I'm trying to focus on cases from my Province right now, I feel like I can really make a difference. However I have over 60 cases ( all of them from the US ) on my mind, and my plan is to move to the US one day, after getting my PHd and establishing a name for myself here in Quebec or Montreal. That's my goal, and I'm gonna do it. No doubt. :tu:


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:41 PM

Ah, well that explains a lot then. I thought your interest in these types of cases was more of a hobby, but I see now that it's a vocational interest. It's good that there are people like you in the world who have the time and the enthusiasm to look through cold cases and try to make connections to then present to the authorities. From what I understand, part of the reason cases go cold is that police often don't have the manpower or money to continually investigate, so if someone like you comes along who is studying criminology and knows the basics of what to do, I'm sure its a huge help. Especially if you can provide a new aspect of the case previously overlooked or unconsidered. :tu:

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:14 PM

Praying these little ones are returned home safe.


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:39 PM

Authorities seem hesitant to "call" this case, but I think that a big clue that these little girls have been abducted and taken from that area is that- according to info on a missing poster- Collins' purse and cell phone were located on the other side of a fence from the bike trail. Of course, that makes no sense what-so-ever. One thing I think is for sure, the girls did not go into the lake willingly because the purse/cell would have been with the bikes, along with shoes, and possibly other clothing.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:32 PM

After scoping out Myers lake, I see that there's no vehicle access. I think that could be why authorities are taking the extraordinary measure of draining the lake...because a perp wouldn't have had any way to transport two bodies out of or away from that area.
This is a bizarre set of circumstances.





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