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#31    JonathanVonErich

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:49 PM

Thanks for sharing, Supervike. The fact they even searched your place is a good thing, at least it's proof that they are looking everywhere and that they are really trying to find evidence of what happened to the girls. I hope you'll post more info, your informations are priceless. :tu:

I don't have a good feeling about this case, sadly. Something is just not right. I wish I could be there to investigate/ask questions. Sometimes I hate living in Canada...... :(

Edited by JonathanVonErich, 19 July 2012 - 08:50 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:52 PM

Maybe it is a person with a key to the gate who may have seen the girls before, maybe a few times, spoken to them, had their trust.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:55 PM

Dad suspected

http://abcnews.go.co...59#.UAh0ELTZDng

The article is more informative than the video

Edited by QuiteContrary, 19 July 2012 - 09:01 PM.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:05 PM

If they haven't done it already, Something is telling me they need to check the cell phone to see who the last person they called was....


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:19 PM

The cell phone that was found in little Elizabeths' purse was not activated.  Apparently she just used it for playing games.

They just announced that they have called the families down to the lake.  Not sure what to make of that.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:20 PM

View Postsupervike, on 19 July 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

I've walked/ridden my bike countless times on this trail, and I think I've only saw that maintenence gate unlocked one time.   However, according to reports the gate was left open.  That gate opens to the overflow valve for the lake.  If the lake gets too high, they can let water out (it goes under the highway, and dumps to the cedar river to the south)  Of course, that was a theory early on, that maybe somehow the girls fell into this.  But, it has a huge grate, so nothing big could go through.

The trail is plenty wide enough to drive a car onto, and you can see by that east side where it would be easiest to enter from (arbutus st.).  That entrance would be shielded from the main part of the lake and the trial.  In fact, that is the way I've seen the maintenence workers enter the trail.  They mow the grass, etc.

Yes, the trail is certainly wide enough for a vehicle, but if the gate is closed/locked, then there's no way to turn around in a vehicle, correct?
If so, my point is that unless the perp had prior knowledge that the gate was open, or unlocked, then he'd have to be willing to continue to drive the trail around the lake where he'd risk being seen (surely, that would be a memorable sight for witnesses... to see a private vehicle on a bike trail!) or, the perp would have to be willing to back out and still at a risk of being seen.
At this point, I don't think a vehicle was used in that area.

I heard a report about a hole in the fence? Do you know anything about that?


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:23 PM

View Postsupervike, on 19 July 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:


They just announced that they have called the families down to the lake.  Not sure what to make of that.

What?!


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:37 PM

View Postregi, on 19 July 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

Yes, the trail is certainly wide enough for a vehicle, but if the gate is closed/locked, then there's no way to turn around in a vehicle, correct?
If so, my point is that unless the perp had prior knowledge that the gate was open, or unlocked, then he'd have to be willing to continue to drive the trail around the lake where he'd risk being seen (surely, that would be a memorable sight for witnesses... to see a private vehicle on a bike trail!) or, the perp would have to be willing to back out and still at a risk of being seen.
At this point, I don't think a vehicle was used in that area.

I heard a report about a hole in the fence? Do you know anything about that?

In the narrow part of the fence in area, it would be hard to turn a vehicle around (unless it was some sort of bizarre Austin Powers moves!)  but just a little further down the fence on the lake side ends.  It opens up to a grassy area, with plenty of room to turn around.  However, we are in a bit of a drought, so any tire tracks on that grass would have been noticed immediately.  I'm with you on this, I don't think a vehicle was down there either.

The hole in the fence has been there for a couple of years.  I think it was caused by a car accident, but never properly fixed.  It's pretty overgrown with weeds, and from what I can remember, would be very hard to get through.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:06 AM

View Postsupervike, on 19 July 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:


The hole in the fence has been there for a couple of years.  I think it was caused by a car accident, but never properly fixed.  It's pretty overgrown with weeds, and from what I can remember, would be very hard to get through.

Thanks. So, if one is walking east on the trail, the hole is on the south side?
You know, unless the girls were walked out of there, then the only other means left to consider is by boat. By the way, and quite frankly, homes surrounding the lake should have been among the first searched.
Apparently, the scent dogs weren't able to track the girls beyond that area, and I don't know how that could be, or what that could mean.
I'd like to know precisely where the purse was located because it could indicate direction. It sounds like it was located on the highway side of the fence because the report was that it was located on "the other side of the fence from the bikes", and that's how I'd take that.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:06 AM

I wouldn't read too much into the parents previous records...

I watched a documentary last weekend (just got sky tv) about two 12 yr old girls, Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis, that went missing in Oregon, 10 years ago.

The first victims estranged father had a suspect police record, and the complex that both girls lived had many sex offenders. But it turned out that the man who did it, Ward Weaver, had a 12 yr old daughter who knew them both, so they would have known him and trusted him. They found the bodies hidden at his house.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:43 AM

Apparently, reports have been misleading re: where the tracking dogs lost the girls' scents. The aunt,Tammy Brousseau, stated that she was present and witnessed two tracking dogs- each tracked one girl, one at a time- and that each dog led east from the area where the bikes were located, and into that wooded area where each dog stopped.
Brousseau said she went over to that wooded area where she said there's a sewer bldg. (I think it actually could be a pump station) and an old garage, which might have been the bldg. I was curious about.
She believes that someone might have seen the girls out on that rocky area (where the bikes were found...she said about 12' from the water); or, that the girls could have been seen otherwise, but that whomever took them could have known that they could park over at that wooded area, and take the girls by vehicle from there, and she believes that's what happened.
I think she's right on. I think that's definitely the most probable scenario.

Brousseau mentioned that witness again; the one who claimed to have seen the girls at at Meyers Lake a mere 15 minutes before (2:30). Apparently, Brousseau and/or the family haven't been informed of whether the witness is a POI, or if it's believed that he was simply mistaken.
One thing seems sure to me, and that's that what he said doesn't make sense. I don't believe that the girls would have been at that location at that time, and if it wasn't these girls he saw, then who was it?

Edited by regi, 20 July 2012 - 11:51 AM.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:39 PM

View Postregi, on 20 July 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Apparently, reports have been misleading re: where the tracking dogs lost the girls' scents. The aunt,Tammy Brousseau, stated that she was present and witnessed two tracking dogs- each tracked one girl, one at a time- and that each dog led east from the area where the bikes were located, and into that wooded area where each dog stopped.
Brousseau said she went over to that wooded area where she said there's a sewer bldg. (I think it actually could be a pump station) and an old garage, which might have been the bldg. I was curious about.
She believes that someone might have seen the girls out on that rocky area (where the bikes were found...she said about 12' from the water); or, that the girls could have been seen otherwise, but that whomever took them could have known that they could park over at that wooded area, and take the girls by vehicle from there, and she believes that's what happened.
I think she's right on. I think that's definitely the most probable scenario.

Brousseau mentioned that witness again; the one who claimed to have seen the girls at at Meyers Lake a mere 15 minutes before (2:30). Apparently, Brousseau and/or the family haven't been informed of whether the witness is a POI, or if it's believed that he was simply mistaken.
One thing seems sure to me, and that's that what he said doesn't make sense. I don't believe that the girls would have been at that location at that time, and if it wasn't these girls he saw, then who was it?

Yeah, that building you were curious about earlier could be this garage.  When I use the trail, I'm always behind that property, so I guess I assumed there was a house there as well.  Maybe it is just a garage.  I had thought they found the purse over the fence of the 'lake side' but I am unclear on that as well.

Last night, they mentioned they were calling the family together (CNN reported this) but it looks like that amounted to nothing.

They did show video of an investigator shaking Lyric's mothers hand.  That seemed very strained, but that's just my perception.  I'm sure that woman is as close to a breaking point as can be.  The stress of all this has to be unbearable.

I agree Brosseau has mentioned this person a couple of times and said that the police 'have his name'.

Regarding your earlier comments...Yes the whole in the fence would be on the south side, towards the highway.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:42 PM

supervike, I think the family must have been down at the lake for interviewing purposes.
I'll tell you, this case has me on the very edge. Of course, it's impossible to imagine what the families are living through.
I believe in remaining hopeful, and I would never want to discourage hope, but this is not good, and it hasn't been good from the get-go.
Something awful has happened- there can be no question about that. How awful, we don't yet know, but I hope we soon have answers.


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Posted 21 July 2012 - 04:56 PM

Update: Case is now an abduction case,police say

The case of the two missing Iowa girls is now being called an abduction after the search of a lake near where the cousins were last seen turned up nothing. "Those girls are not in that lake," Black Hawk County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Abben told reporters Friday. "Obviously, within a week if they were lost they would have been found by now. Since we can't find them, they're not in the lake, we're calling it an abduction," Abben said.

Full article: http://news.blogs.cn...-say/?hpt=ju_c2

I really don't have a good feeling about this.

Edited by JonathanVonErich, 21 July 2012 - 04:56 PM.


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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:16 PM

Authorities say they believe the girls are alive.
It sounds like they might suspect someone known to the girls and/or family.
http://www.khou.com/.../163290146.html





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