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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:20 PM

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How bad is it when 99 people in the US – most of them homeless, drug addicts or mentally ill – get tuberculosis? It doesn't sound like much. But it rings alarm bells here at Threatwatch.
An investigative journalist in Palm Beach, Florida, has reported that in April in Jacksonville, Florida, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) investigated what it called the biggest outbreak of TB in the US since the early 1990s. Yet even as the CDC was writing its report, Florida's legislature voted to slash jobs and funding in public health, and to close its only TB hospital. It shut on 2 July.
The subsequent ruckus has focused on an alleged cover-up of the outbreak. The more important message, though, is how easily TB can get out of control even in the richest country, and how, unless we are very careful, economic recession could make that much worse.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:39 PM

I noticed how careful they are not to mention illegal immigrants that haven't been immunized. Florida has a huge problem with illegal immigrants.


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:51 PM

View PostMichelle, on 17 July 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

I noticed how careful they are not to mention illegal immigrants that haven't been immunized. Florida has a huge problem with illegal immigrants.

There is no immunization for TB

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:53 PM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 17 July 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

There is no immunization for TB

Especially not against the drug resistant strains.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:59 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 17 July 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Especially not against the drug resistant strains.

Yes! There actually is a vaccine. I had never heard of it. It is not widely used in the US and does not guarantee immunity. It is more often given in countries where TB is common.

http://www.cdc.gov/t...nes/default.htm

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:04 PM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 17 July 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

Yes! There actually is a vaccine. I had never heard of it. It is not widely used in the US and does not guarantee immunity. It is more often given in countries where TB is common.

http://www.cdc.gov/t...nes/default.htm

Where the cure is mostly more harmful than the ailment, quote cdc besides not always working:
The BCG vaccine should be considered only for very select persons who meet specific criteria and in consultation with a TB expert

There were attempts since 1919 to develop a usable vaccine, the problem is that the vaccine itself can cause TBC as it is a less virulent strain of the bovine form that is used as immunization. If you get it your chances are about as high to get TBC as if you just try general hygiene. That is why I say there is no immunization.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:12 PM

Questionmark why do you/they say that about the BCG, just curious?

I've had the BCG vaccine but so did most of my peers, it is a standard vaccine given to all high school aged children in the UK to protect against TB.  It's a mega sore vaccine and leaves a horrible huge scar :( There is a skin test that is done first to see if you need it, most people do lol.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:16 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 17 July 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Where the cure is mostly more harmful than the ailment, quote cdc besides not always working:
The BCG vaccine should be considered only for very select persons who meet specific criteria and in consultation with a TB expert

There were attempts since 1919 to develop a usable vaccine, the problem is that the vaccine itself can cause TBC as it is a less virulent strain of the bovine form that is used as immunization. If you get it your chances are about as high to get TBC as if you just try general hygiene. That is why I say there is no immunization.

Yes, I see what you mean, I was clarifying my reply to Michelle. I decided to check on my (no vaccine) reply and found to my complete surprise there was a vaccine of sorts. I tried to multiquote you and Michelle and I still don't know how.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:16 PM

View PostbLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 17 July 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Questionmark why do you/they say that about the BCG, just curious?

I've had the BCG vaccine but so did most of my peers, it is a standard vaccine given to all high school aged children in the UK to protect against TB.  It's a mega sore vaccine and leaves a horrible huge scar :( There is a skin test that is done first to see if you need it, most people do lol.

I am no expert, so I suggest you check with them. And the vaccine with the bad scar is against smallpox. Not against TB.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:24 PM

I was also vaccinated in high school as a child in the UK for TB,and the scar is actually worse than my small pox jab.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:26 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 17 July 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

I am no expert, so I suggest you check with them. And the vaccine with the bad scar is against smallpox. Not against TB.

No the BCG is the one that left a horrible scar, unless they put the small pox vaccine in with it. But one vaccine being the BCG is the one that leaves a scar on everyones arm in whichever way they do it over here.

http://www.nhs.uk/co...troduction.aspx

I see now why they do this test first for 16 /17 year olds. Some people have had it when they are a baby / young child but not everyone does. So if you missed having it then, you get it as a teenager.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:31 PM

View Postshaddow134, on 17 July 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

I was also vaccinated in high school as a child in the UK for TB,and the scar is actually worse than my small pox jab.

Yeah it looks like a huge ugly chicken pox scar doesn't it. And kids being kids were brutal to one another with it. At least in my school there was a epidemic of having to protect your arm from others thinking it was funny to launch a punch on your BCG wound/scar. I saw one persons pop once and well...you can imagine.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:46 PM

View PostMichelle, on 17 July 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

I noticed how careful they are not to mention illegal immigrants that haven't been immunized. Florida has a huge problem with illegal immigrants.

Be careful about blaming a single group of people for all our woes, it never turns out well.  The US does not routinely vaccinate for TB.  We have found that testing for exposure is just as effective.  A lot of European countries do vaccinate for TB, but their endemic rates were always higher.


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:48 PM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 17 July 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

There is no immunization for TB

http://www.cdc.gov/t...nes/default.htm


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:51 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 17 July 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

I am no expert, so I suggest you check with them. And the vaccine with the bad scar is against smallpox. Not against TB.

They both leave a scar because they have to cause an infection to be effective.  The infection is in the skin instead of the lungs and is a weakened or, in the case of smallpox, a closely enough related virus that does not cause widespread disease.






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