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#301    Test Theory

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:11 AM

View PostGummug, on 02 August 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

Test Theory, that was an excellent video on antidepressants causing suicidal/homicidal behavior. That's the first I ever heard of that. Good work!
eta: I know a friend of mine, who is diabetic, had mentioned the "twinkie defense" for low blood sugar causing anti-social behavior, but as I said I hadn't heard of this. I'm glad you posted it, that's why I really like UM, I usually always learn something, even with my hard head. :w00t:
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2nd eta: Why in the WORLD do they make those sorts of drugs legal? It seems an insanity of its own...

Answer to 2nd ete: Four words. Big Pharma wants MONEY :)

Edit: BTW thanks I try to always bring more obscure information to the forefront. Probably why people think I am a "conspiracy" type....

Edited by Test Theory, 02 August 2012 - 05:12 AM.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:31 PM

View PostTest Theory, on 01 August 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Of course. They will make her the scapegoat instead of even brining up point of the SSRI's he was taking and their proven links to violence, suicide and homicide. Big Pharma definately wouldnt want that...



Amazing isnt it? Once you minus gang related shootings, where ownership of said weapons were optained illegaly, I have to wonder what % of murders big Pharm is directly responcible for? We have over 4 million kids on these types of drugs. Id be willing to bet that if this werent the case, our murder rates, especialy mass killings would be near non-existant.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:00 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t1

This article shows the Dr. in question contacted someone about his abnormal behavior and possible threat in the "first 10 days of June", over a month before the killings...

Edited by Test Theory, 02 August 2012 - 03:00 PM.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:15 PM

View PostTest Theory, on 02 August 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

I love how when I post evidence confirming you are wrong you resort to another way to weasel out of admitting your wrong. I would only believe the email if I was able to get response at same time and verify. Above where I posted the information from the defense.gov site and counter your other false statements you completely ignore it. Pretty clear to see that the DoD and suborganizations are military organizations. If you refuse to accept that I understand :)

Their answer was a non-answer... :cry:

> From: Outreach@darpa.mil
> To: XXXXXXXX@hotmail.com; DARPAPublicAffairsOffice2@darpa.mil
> Subject: RE: Darpa.mil
> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:44:32 +0000
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> XXXXX,
> Thanks for your note. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency's (DARPA) mission is to prevent and create strategic surprise by maintaining the technological superiority of the U.S. military. The Agency sponsors revolutionary, high-payoff research bridging the gap between fundamental discoveries and their military use. DARPA is part of the Department of Defense.
> Best,
> DARPA Public Affairs
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Darn public affairs pukes won't give a Yes or a No.

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Edited by DieChecker, 02 August 2012 - 06:16 PM.

Here at Intel we make processors on 12 inch wafers. And, the individual processors on the wafers are called die. And, I am employed to check these die. That is why I am the DieChecker.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:33 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 02 August 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

Their answer was a non-answer... :cry:

> From: Outreach@darpa.mil
> To: XXXXXXXX@hotmail.com; DARPAPublicAffairsOffice2@darpa.mil
> Subject: RE: Darpa.mil
> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:44:32 +0000
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> XXXXX,
> Thanks for your note. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency's (DARPA) mission is to prevent and create strategic surprise by maintaining the technological superiority of the U.S. military. The Agency sponsors revolutionary, high-payoff research bridging the gap between fundamental discoveries and their military use. DARPA is part of the Department of Defense.
> Best,
> DARPA Public Affairs
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Darn public affairs pukes won't give a Yes or a No.

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No their answer is a Yes. They state they are part of the Department of Defense lol. Thats a Yes. Their goal is to provide technological superiority to the US military by taking basic technologies and implementing them militarily. Pretty clear answer, you just wont accept it ;)

Also sidenote, notice they copied themselves on your inquiry. I bet your on some list now ;)

Edited by Test Theory, 02 August 2012 - 06:35 PM.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:34 PM

Well Die Checker, what part of "DARPA is part of the Department of Defense" do you not understand? :innocent:

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 04:41 AM

View PostTest Theory, on 02 August 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

No their answer is a Yes. They state they are part of the Department of Defense lol. Thats a Yes. Their goal is to provide technological superiority to the US military by taking basic technologies and implementing them militarily. Pretty clear answer, you just wont accept it ;)

Also sidenote, notice they copied themselves on your inquiry. I bet your on some list now ;)
I suppose there is that... They provide research to the military, and they provide that research to the DoD, so if A = Military and B = DoD and A = B, then DoD = Military?? It is still not a Yes or a No.

Aside from the MIL domain, I've not seen any direct evidence where it specificaly says DARPA is a military organization. That may be because it is assumed the reader knows this already, but that is an assumption.

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Liaisons from each branch of military service and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency are assigned to the Director’s Office at DARPA. Their critical duties include maintaining DARPA’s connection to their respective military service and/or Agency and assisting with the transition of DARPA technology to the Services.
http://www.darpa.mil...y_Services.aspx

I'd expect the wording to read, "to the other military services" rather then "to the military services". And it says the liason's duties are as points of contact for "their respective military service and/or Agency". That would imply to me that the Agencies under DoD are Non-military. That only the military branch services are considered military.

You're associating GS grades with military grades just popped into my head. Don't people in the Department of Education and the Department of Agriculture also all have GS grades?

Edited by DieChecker, 03 August 2012 - 04:43 AM.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 06:04 PM

Pretty weak retort, Die Checker. :td:

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 10:23 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 03 August 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:

I suppose there is that... They provide research to the military, and they provide that research to the DoD, so if A = Military and B = DoD and A = B, then DoD = Military?? It is still not a Yes or a No.

Aside from the MIL domain, I've not seen any direct evidence where it specificaly says DARPA is a military organization. That may be because it is assumed the reader knows this already, but that is an assumption.


http://www.darpa.mil...y_Services.aspx

I'd expect the wording to read, "to the other military services" rather then "to the military services". And it says the liason's duties are as points of contact for "their respective military service and/or Agency". That would imply to me that the Agencies under DoD are Non-military. That only the military branch services are considered military.

You're associating GS grades with military grades just popped into my head. Don't people in the Department of Education and the Department of Agriculture also all have GS grades?

Yes. But I was only implying with the GS bit that their are non "military" aka what we would consider "civilians" that work under the DoD that have this classification. Also the primary point is this, the DoD is a military organization plain and simple, there is no way around that FACT. The fact that DARPA has a .mil extension is CLEAR evidence they are defined as a military organization. Show me one case of a site that has a .mil extension that is not military. I wonder what extensions the Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy, etc have LOL. Are we really still debating this? If all of our debates will be like this DieChecker then I will not debate with you anymore. Because you would argue like the sky is purple or red when it is clearly blue, so kind of pointless ;)

Also I posted a few posts back why the DoD is military so I dont get your confusion on tis matter. I even quoted directly the relevant information from the page and provided a link, this is from a governmental website. Maybe the DoD is in cohoots with me to make you look bad and back up my ie, IDK LOL

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 06:57 PM

Also after listening to the dispatch tapes, there are some other serious questions about the official story. There are pretty solid reports that there was a second shooter. There first are these two:

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At 12:51 (0051), An officer reports “that [the] suspect [is] saying he’s the only one but I’m getting conflicting descriptions from the witnesses here.”

15 minutes after they already had Holmes is detained a call goes out over radio:

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“OK, suspect is gonna be male of unknown race, black camo outfit, possibly wearing a vest, gas mask, and has multiple long guns.”
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“suspect in all black, black tactical mask, black tactical helmet, gas mask, at least one hand gun, possible shot gun, possible long gun.”

What is important to note here is that Holmes has already been detained for over 15 minutes at this point. If he was detained while wearing this gear and all the guns had been located in his vehicle, why would they be looking for other suspects in slightly different or even similar attire?

There is also a problem with what seems to be multiple vehicles and plates reported at the scene. Around time of the second shooter description data is returned on a Colorado license plate reportedly attached to the vehicle used by one of the suspects. The address provided to the officers on site did not match the address known to be that of suspect Holmes.

At 0117, another on-site officer states that they need to clear the area so that they can clear the suspect’s Holmes car with the bomb unit. A minute later a patrol officer reports that he is going to the address where the Colorado plate suspect vehicle is registered to perform surveillance, perhaps to watch for other possible suspects returning to that location. Again, the address associated with the vehicle does not match the physical address where the fire trucks and bomb squads congregated, which was at the address with the rigged devices commonly displayed in the news. It is relevant to note that there was no indication that police were aware that the suspect’s apartment was rigged with explosives at this time, based on the radio transmissions and dispatch records.

As the on-site officers already at the theater work to clear the parking lots (examining the cars for bombs, people hiding, etc.), the nearby mall and the rest of the theater, some of the officers begin to interview victims who say they witnessed the shooting. At 0124, an order over the radio was given to “confirm the plates,” and a need to start as quickly as possible, to get suspect descriptions from key witnesses because of initial conflicting information. As the officers get relevant information, they report to dispatch. Twelve minutes later, at 0136, another officer reports

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“I had another witness say green camouflage pants.”

At 0149, a report from an officer at the scene states that “it’s gonna be a Hyundai Accent, Tennessee plates…directly in front of the doors. Charcoal color, possible just a thermos but it’s covered up. Possible secondary device. Registered to an address out of Columbia TN “clear”

At 0155, an officer breaks the temporary radio silence with the following report:

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“It sounds like we have possibly two shooters. One that was in theater 8…and one that came in from the outside theater 9. It sounds like it was a coordinated attack.”

It is confirmed that the police had James Holmes in custody at the scene almost immediately upon their arrival. Although Holmes reportedly made claims that he was the “only one,” on-site officers appear not to believe him based on conflicting (and some corroborating) witness accounts, the report from a construction worker seeing an unidentified subject feeing the area “bolting,” and the starkly different descriptions of attire of the suspect(s) observed by witnesses.

Another notable observation, or significant omission, is the lack of any mention that the suspect’s apartment was rigged with explosives. It has been publicly reported that the suspect warned officers early during his custody at the scene. Despite this alleged warning, note that an officer departs the crime scene at 0117, destined for the suspect’s residence (although to a notably different address), likely to watch for other possible suspects returning to that location.

Clearly, radio communications from officers at the scene strongly indicate that the responding police officers believed that more than one suspect was involved based on their observations at the scene and in spite of the utterances of the suspect. The possibility that more than one person was involved is later supported by the presence of other, duplicate equipment, including an second gas mask found at the NE corner of the theater complex—approximately 25 parking slots away from the alleged shooter’s vehicle.

Although it is normal for first reports to be incorrect or due to the chaos and conflicting eyewitness accounts, it is obvious that the radio traffic identifies two separate vehicles, at least two distinctly different individuals or suspects, and more equipment than carried by a single suspect.


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 07:32 PM

View PostTest Theory, on 04 August 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

The possibility that more than one person was involved is later supported by the presence of other, duplicate equipment, including an second gas mask found at the NE corner of the theater complex—approximately 25 parking slots away from the alleged shooter’s vehicle.

Care to cite the authenticated police investigative source of that information?
Didn't think so, because it doesn't exist. :passifier:

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 07:36 PM

Haven't read it all but gone from crazy shooter to law about guns to must be the government to anti depressents kill...

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 07:45 PM

Pallidin you don't get it.

When one spends anytime listening to the police scanner, and I've been doing it for years, you find out stuff like that.  Meticulous work by Test Theory and others.

This sound remarkably similar to other events that have happened over time. :cry:

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 08:24 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 04 August 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

Pallidin you don't get it.

When one spends anytime listening to the police scanner, and I've been doing it for years, you find out stuff like that.  Meticulous work by Test Theory and others.

This sound remarkably similar to other events that have happened over time. :cry:

What don't I get?

Authenticated evidence is "meticulous work".
Show me a link to the OFFICIAL records of those questioned scanner broadcasts.

Or are you saying there are none?
Come on now, it's one way or the other, no middle ground here.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:45 PM

View Postpallidin, on 04 August 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Care to cite the authenticated police investigative source of that information?
Didn't think so, because it doesn't exist. :passifier:

Why take such a hard stance before he even has a chance to respond? How do you know it doesnt exist?

One thing that for sure exists is eye witness accounts saying there was more then one guy
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