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‘Get Over It’: Climate Change Is Happening


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

Bloomberg said:


What is anyone to make of American public figures who even in 2012 dismiss the risks posed by manmade climate change?

After a week of record heat and wildfires, Terry Moran of ABC News posed a question to guests on July 8, on the Sunday political talk show, “This Week With George Stephanopoulos”: Why should climate change be any more controversial than, say, neuroscience or brain surgery? Mort Zuckerman, editor-in-chief of U.S. News & World Report, answered that climate change has much broader applicability than brain surgery and therefore draws a greater crowd of critics. E.J. Dionne, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, expressed incredulity about “why my conservative friends are so resistant in taking out an insurance policy… Because if we go wrong on this, we’re making an awfully big mistake.”

Political commentator George Will answered thusly: “You asked us -- how do we explain the heat? One word: summer. I grew up in central Illinois in a house without air conditioning. What is so unusual about this? Now, come the winter, there will be a cold snap, lots of snow, and the same guys, like E.J., will start lecturing us. There's a difference between the weather and the climate. I agree with that. We're having some hot weather. Get over it.”


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 11:25 PM

As usual, Mr. Will leaves little room for argument.
Little different than last year.  Summer.   Hot, no rain, brown grass.   Happens just about every year.
Winter, no snow at all this year.  Temperate save a really cold week or so.  But that's winter, too.
We had sighnificant smnow in October.   Although unusual, not unheard of.

Global warming?

Pooh.  It's just the climate around here.

Getting over it would be much better than having the government prohibit the sale of 100W incandesent light bulbs... :cry: :td:

Edited by MID, 22 July 2012 - 11:26 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 11:51 PM

Its hard to get over it when it effects the price of food.  Just wait until this fall when prices start going up.  This summer has been dry and hot, my pastures are brown, I have to feed my horses hay when they usually have plenty of green grass to eat.  I've heard the drought is going on in 26 states, not just two or three and peoples wells are going dry.


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 12:47 AM

View PostHilander, on 22 July 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

Its hard to get over it when it effects the price of food.  Just wait until this fall when prices start going up.  This summer has been dry and hot, my pastures are brown, I have to feed my horses hay when they usually have plenty of green grass to eat.  I've heard the drought is going on in 26 states, not just two or three and peoples wells are going dry.

Which is precisely what happens in the summertime, someplace, every year.
Next thing one knows, 8 inches of rain falls in October.



...And people will complain about the flooding, of course... :yes: It comes, it goes, and we all have to live with it.  That means farmers, retailers,  and consumers alike.

Prices go up, and drop, all in response to some weather babe (i.e., TV" meteorologist")  saying the word draught because no rain has fallen in several weeks.
I've been in Dallas during several dry summers, when no rain fell for several months, and the Trinity River was a dust path , and yet, they watered the grass every single night, snd never mentioned the word drought---despite the fact that the fields were dry with half inch cracks in the dusty soil.

I think someone told me, "Well, it's summer."

Yea, I think that was correct.

Edited by MID, 24 July 2012 - 12:49 AM.


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:04 PM

View PostMID, on 22 July 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

As usual, Mr. Will leaves little room for argument.
Little different than last year.  Summer.   Hot, no rain, brown grass.   Happens just about every year.
Winter, no snow at all this year.  Temperate save a really cold week or so.  But that's winter, too.
We had sighnificant smnow in October.   Although unusual, not unheard of.

Global warming?

Pooh.  It's just the climate around here.

Getting over it would be much better than having the government prohibit the sale of 100W incandesent light bulbs... :cry: :td:
One year's data is just weather.  Maybe hot, maybe cold, but not enough to warrant jumping to conclusions.

But the spate of "wild weather" started in May 2008.  That was four years ago.  That's still not enough data to warrant jumping to conclusions, but it's a lot better than one year's data.

Oklahoma (and Dallas, too) are in one of the drought periods that characterize climate in this part of the world.  We started into this drought in 2001.  It will probably max out in 2013 or 2015, based on drought cycles since 1650.  But 2008 and 2009 produced some of the wettest weather on record - right in the middle of the current "drought."  A similar aberration occurred in 1897 and 1898 in the middle of the "Gay 90s Drought," but that wasn't nearly as severe as the current one.  So what's happening?  Something has changed.  There are more small storms which may be dropping more water.  Temperatures are 0.35 degrees F. warmer in this area than in 1965.  Today is the 12th consecutive day of 100+ temps this year.  A year ago, July 24 was the 31st day of 100+ temps.  This should be the off year; temps should be lower this summer than last and they are a little lower - just not as low as expected.  So while things are somewhat like other droughts, there are a lot of differences - and those differences are consistent with an atmosphere that contains more energy.

These drought "cycles" are periodic.  This one will end in 2015; the next one will occur in the 2040s.  At the current rate of temperature rise, we will be about half a degree Farenheit warmer by then.  And that means the relative humidity will be lower and the air dryer and the drought worse.  Get used to it; the climate has already changed measurably and there is more coming.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:05 AM

As Doug said, north central TX has been in a drought since 2001. Hell, a big chunk of the US is in a drought. Whatever the cause, this is certainly not "just summer". Personally it boggles my mind that anyone could think all the crap we spew out as a species does nothing to the environment and atmosphere of our planet. I remember learning about the concept of the ecosystem pretty early on, but I went to a good school.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:18 AM

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Getting over it would be much better than having the government prohibit the sale of 100W incandesent light bulbs..
end result is same; you end up being dragged over it

can't have things both ways? - back in the 80's you were called a tree hugging hippy for talking about this.. different story these days, and we're all being dragged through it.. like you've noticed about the 100w lightbulbs..

i wonder what kind of response someone like MID would get from gov.org if he sent them a letter, asking them to get over it?


see a connection here? - power outage (on your end) being downsized, NYC apartments scheduled to get smaller like prison cells, food being messed with by GM, water fluoridated, hoo boy! now what about this supposed global financial crisis!! [etc] ....little by little you're being squeezed out of the equation..

we're being led down a path... there is not much you can do about it if you plan to just sit on your ass and watch it all happen, so..... just get over it.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:14 PM

View Postunit, on 25 July 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

NYC apartments scheduled to get smaller like prison cells

Just throwing this out there - there is quite a movement of people who want smaller living spaces.  I'm among them.  I do not want / need a lot of stuff or space and I'd rather live in an apartment 1/2 the size of my current one for 1/2 the rent.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 03:36 PM

View PostMysticStrummer, on 25 July 2012 - 07:05 AM, said:

As Doug said, north central TX has been in a drought since 2001.

I don't know where you live, but Austin, Texas is experiencing extraordinary amounts of rainfall...

http://www.weather.c...onthly/USTX0057



Month to Date 5.51 in.   

Average 1.88 in.


Last Friday I drove from Los Angeles to Austin.  I was amazed at how lush and green all the vegetation was compared to what I normally see.

I need to get out there right now and mow my yard.  All my plants, trees, vegetables, grass, and shrubs are growing like crazy.

Edited by Charlie Prime, 25 July 2012 - 03:38 PM.


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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:12 PM

View PostCharlie Prime, on 25 July 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

I don't know where you live, but Austin, Texas is experiencing extraordinary amounts of rainfall...
Try Dallas to OKC and vicinity.

Back in 2008 and 2009 we got deluged, but that still didn't break the drought.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:21 PM

The saying "Get it while you can" mean anything to anyone?
I was bornied !and Raised in the great State of Texas . And in the 50`s I can remember Hot so hot  you could cook your dinner on the pavement.
Now Its so Hot that everyone eats out ! maybe they all got tired of dirt and hub caps in the smashed taters?
Well one thing I know for certin ! We all need to Live like tomorrow is another day worth living for !
Without a challenge it makes for a boreing kinda life. Anyone for a better water system? Energy system? social system? These would be nice to work on right?
ITs hot get with it ! You should see what I work in every day! Yeah I complain,b****,ect! But I Keep-on-Keepin On !
Its the Way we do it In Texas ! Some like it hotter !

Now as for the Ice caps melitin ! Better not live on the coast anywhere ! Seriously !
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:39 PM

View PostHilander, on 22 July 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

Its hard to get over it when it effects the price of food.  Just wait until this fall when prices start going up.  This summer has been dry and hot, my pastures are brown, I have to feed my horses hay when they usually have plenty of green grass to eat.  I've heard the drought is going on in 26 states, not just two or three and peoples wells are going dry.
This same thing happened in the 1930's.  North America suffered from a drought much worse than the current drought.  Guess what, eventually it rained.


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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:51 PM

View PostHilander, on 22 July 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

Its hard to get over it when it effects the price of food.  Just wait until this fall when prices start going up.  This summer has been dry and hot, my pastures are brown, I have to feed my horses hay when they usually have plenty of green grass to eat.  I've heard the drought is going on in 26 states, not just two or three and peoples wells are going dry.

I have been stocking up on food for two years now. Solar max is 2013. I look for another summer of this, maybe two.
Just stock up on vitamins, if you stock up on nothing else.

Food prices are related also to the devaluation of the dollar.

I live in drought regions and my yard has been seriously affected. I anticipated this heat, and didn't plant as much non-food items this year. I let the grass burn, since I do not live under some atrocious covenent. I have not spent money mowing, just let the grass grow to shade the soil. '

My thinking is that there may well be Fukishima radiation in the rain, so this drought may have hidden blessings,

Edited by regeneratia, 25 July 2012 - 07:52 PM.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:38 PM

View Postunit, on 25 July 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

i wonder what kind of response someone like MID would get from gov.org if he sent them a letter, asking them to get over it?

He'd get no response at all.  Besides, irf MID sent an e-mail to the government, it wouldn't be to tell them to get over the climate.

It would be to tell them to get over themselves.

What they understand about climate came from Al Gore... :td: :cry:
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:41 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 25 July 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

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Well one thing I know for certin ! We all need to Live like tomorrow is another day worth living for !

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Good advice, D!
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