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[The New Richard Nixon]

I always wanted to know this but who or what created him? was it himself? created by other gods? a super-god?

Because in order of something to exist, he or she has to be created.

[Simbi Laveau]

Nope,he was there first ,and he created everything else .
How he got there,only he knows ,and he's not telling .

[Uncle Pockets]

God has no beginning and no end

Edited by Uncle Pockets, 28 July 2012 - 06:38 AM.

[QuiteContrary]

where did consciousness come from out of gases and minerals and metals and the like

[Test Theory]

QuiteContrary, on 28 July 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

where did consciousness come from out of gases and minerals and metals and the like

Isnt that a seperate topic??

[Habitat]

The standard answer to all these questions hasn't changed since I was a kid, if I recall it was "Go wash your hands and get ready for dinner".

[QuiteContrary]

Test Theory, on 28 July 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Isnt that a seperate topic??

I don't think so.
God = consciousness. Life = consciousness. Rocks, gases, and elements = no consciousness.

I think it is another way of asking the OP's question. If not, sorry to derail OP.

[Kazoo]

You make the assumption that an all powerful all controlling being would perceive the universe in a "Cause" and "effect" manner.

Maybe he created himself. Maybe matter or energy manifested itself in a conscience all powerful being.

Maybe for the universe to exist it had to be perceived by conscious being. So out of sheer probability he happened.

Edited by Kazoo, 28 July 2012 - 07:24 AM.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Please people take this seriously.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

God, according to the theory proposed by Wise Men of old, has always been. You might ask, but Time and the Universe hasn't always been, they started somewhere, but this can be got around by thinking of Time as spiral rather than linear, or perhaps like a Möbius strip. I think the way I tend to look at "GOD" is as the force that is behind all of the laws of nature and of physics, and holds them all together and makes sure that they all work together, rather than as an independet entity or intelligence.

[Left-Field]

The New Richard Nixon, on 28 July 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Please people take this seriously.

My serious response is that there is no answer to this question. God has always been and always will be. There is a reason why He is God afterall, and why He can't be completely explained.

The fact is that something has to have always existed. Science states that you can't create "something" out of "nothing" (or at least it use to). There is some scientific way I've come across recently trying to explain how the Universe could have come about from "nothing," but in reading it it still implies that there was, in fact, something that always existed. So, with that being the case, I'm still left to believe that there is something that must have always existed in order for everything else to have come about.

I would think about this quite often when I was younger, and in trying to wrap my mind around it I realized that it simply can't be done. One is left with no choice but to realize something has always existed.

I believe in God for many reasons currently, but in my youth when I was trying to determine if I really believed in Him it was the realization that He must have always existed (from which everything else then came into existence) which made me realize that He does, in fact, exist and that there is no point in questioning Him any longer.

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 28 July 2012 - 08:24 AM.

[navymight]

That is a good question, i often wonder that same things. I am not overly relgious but thus is what i believe about gods orgins.  Now god as being a spirt and a creator is the creator, nothing created god cause god has always been here.Before there was nothing the was god. He is creation, all the universes,the planets,the stars,what may ever be living on them.He is the god of all things, In Johns gospel he begins with "In the begging was the word, and the word was with god and the word was god, through him all thing were made, and there is nothing in exstiance that was not made by god". He is Alpha and Omega, The begging and the end. What created,god is creation and that is all we know.

[Mnemonix]

God doesn't need to be created, he is beyond existence. Everything in existence was created by God. God is beyond time and space and all creation. I'm sure I heard that somewhere.

In Islam, God is eternal, He has no beginning and no end, He was not created.

It could be that because we are limited to time, we believe God needs a beginning, but God might not be affected by time and needs no beginning?

Maybe that's not the answer you're looking for, but that's what I think.

Edited by Lrak, 28 July 2012 - 08:30 AM.

[Waspie_Dwarf]

This very question, and the answers I received, were one of the catalysts in my becoming an atheist. Now the one hand I was being told that nothing could exist for ever, or spontaneous spring into existence and so the universe must have been created by a god. Then I was told that god existed for ever. My young mind reasoned that if a god could exist without beginning and end then it was not impossible for the universe to have existed without beginning or end, and thus there was no need for a creator for the universe to exist.

[Left-Field]

Waspie_Dwarf, on 28 July 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

My young mind reasoned that if a god could exist without beginning and end then it was not impossible for the universe to have existed without beginning or end, and thus there was no need for a creator for the universe to exist.

Doesn't that go against the scientific principle that you can't create something from nothing, though?

Also, in being an atheist, doesn't your comment above contradict your beliefs? In other words, if you do not believe in God (or "gods" as the case may be), how can you reason that His existence (which you don't believe in) having no beginning or end allows for the same to be true about the universe?

It would seem that you are basing that belief on the acknowledgement of a being that you don't believe exists to begin with.

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 28 July 2012 - 08:59 AM.