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[ZaraKitty]

How I see it.

Everyone who owns a gun is a potential criminal. But also in saying that I think if everyone had a gun in plain site (as they do in texas, to my knowledge) crime would be a lot lower because shooting is a huge sport down there, nearly everyone can kill you in a heartbeat if they see you aim your gun at someone.

So it's either no guns with very low crime rate or heaps of guns everywhere and a high suicide and accident rate.

[OverSword]

ZaraKitty, on 31 July 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

How I see it.

Everyone who owns a gun is a potential criminal. But also in saying that I think if everyone had a gun in plain site (as they do in texas, to my knowledge) crime would be a lot lower because shooting is a huge sport down there, nearly everyone can kill you in a heartbeat if they see you aim your gun at someone.

So it's either no guns with very low crime rate or heaps of guns everywhere and a high suicide and accident rate.

Zarra, you crack me up.  You really have a whacky view of what it's like in the USA (too many movies possibly)  I was raised in a home that had fire arms.  My father had at least one rifle at any given time.  That rifle was stashed in a the attic until he took it down to do a little target shooting miles and miles outside of any populated area.  That was when I was a kid.  I'm now in my mid 40's and my fathers gun hobby has expanded greatly.  I don't own any guns but I would guess my father has more than 30 guns.  They are kept in a huge metal safe bolted to the floor.  Nobody could break into it without TNT.  They are not loaded and the ammunition is kept elsewhere. I don't know anyone that carries a gun on them casually like a friggin cowboy, despite the fact that I know people who do have licenses to do so.

I work with an Australian girl who was just as freaked out by  the thought that there may be a gun nearby as you seem to be.  However some coworkers talked her into going out target shooting with a few of us one weekend and now she loves it.  If you can imagine that the skill of shooting a bow and arrow at a target is fun just multiply that fun by about 10 and you can picture that shooting a gun is a blast (pun intended).

But even in Texas you would be hard put to locate someone carrying a gun on thier hip.

[SUPERSquatch]

If guns are taken away, criminals would still find a way to get them. Take bootleggers from the Prohibition era for example, or drug addicts today. According to Forbes, I used to live in the 9^th most dangerous city in America, a town with gun control. I here about shootings, burglary, etc. on their Facebook page everyday. I'm glad I moved to a smaller, no gun-control area.

[jugoso]

TheKanjiWolf, on 31 July 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

If guns don't kill people, people do
Then do toasters not toast toast, toast toasts toast.

Actually....toasters toast bread

[Bavarian Raven]

it's funny in these arguments, people never mention that tens of thousands of women alone every year are able to prevent themselves from being raped/murdered/robed/etc by simply either having a gun on their person, or owning a gun, or (sadly) having to use one. (not to mention other demographics). sure, innocent people are dying because of firearms. but if we outlaw them, even more innocent people will be hurt/killed.

[FLOMBIE]

You don't need a gun to protect yourself. Guns are distance weapons and not very efficient in close range. They are also heavy, need to be taken care of regularly, and need time to be made ready to fire. While they are able to be used as a defensive weapon in certain situations, they are actually designed as assault weapons.

It is actually much easier and safer for everyone to use pepper spray or stun guns. They do their job very well.

[Purifier]

I don't see how anybody, especially Michael Moore (although I'm sure he's got everyone's best interest at heart), is going to convince most of the population in the U.S.A. to give up their gun ownership rights. I said this in another thread, so I'll say it in this thread; Anti-gun proponents have got over 230 years of U.S. history and culture, which a lot of it concerns guns, in this country to convince otherwise. You've got that far back of gun ownership, which is ingrained in just about every American since his or her birth to start with; even if there is a minority who don't like or own guns. One major culture aspect with guns is hunting, especially in the south, those hunters are not ever going to give up their guns. They'll die with those guns in their hands, before anyone trys to take their guns away from them. That includes future generations of hunters, so don't think you'll convince their great grandchildren to give up their guns either. Because they believe and are taught that it's their livelyhood to fall back on in hard times. So I don't care what anti-gun proponents say or do, their not going to convince hunters otherwise of that mentality. Then there is the other major aspect with guns, that sticks in the minds of most Americans, which is the possibility of oppresion from a future Government once the guns are taking away and not being able to fight back on equal terms. That's a hard, hard thought or fear to try and convince most Americans otherwise, because a number of reasons looking back on our American History tells us to be cautious when giving up our rights to gun ownership. Most of us would rather not take chances in case some unseen poltical reason comes along at some point and puts a damn dictator in pernament power instead of our historical Presidency, after the guns are taken away. Yeah, Americans are going to give up their guns when that possibilty looms and crosses a few minds of government politicians who want to change our whole political system and put them in pernament power. Most of the U.S. citizens are gonna say, "screw that, pal...I like my freedom!"


Anyway, what it boils down to is anti-gun proponents have got their work of convincing most Americans of not having guns cut out for them, that's going to be a crap load as well as many, many, many years of convincing to do.  So it will probably take them another 230 years and then some to turn around gun ownership into non-gun ownership in the United States. It's more of a daydream than a possible reality sometime in the future, because little with gun control has changed in the past so far.


Good luck, because I personally think anti-gun proponents are wasting their time.


Edit: (spelling)

Edited by Purifier, 01 August 2012 - 12:31 AM.

[lightly]

jugoso, on 31 July 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Actually....toasters toast bread

   *    .. and  although no one was ever killed by a piece of toast ,   hardly anyone has ever been killed by a gun either.       The cause of death  is nearly always the  BULLET.

[Bavarian Raven]

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You don't need a gun to protect yourself. Guns are distance weapons and not very efficient in close range

true, very true, and they require a decent amount of training,
but,
pepper spray doesn't have the same "fear factor" in detering a criminal/rapists, etc, etc

Edited by Bavarian Raven, 01 August 2012 - 12:17 AM.

[ChewiesArmy]

Bama13, on 31 July 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

An eye for an eye makes us both one-eyed, not blind.

And if it did make us blind...that's even better. Ever see two blind people duel?

[aztek]

FLOMBIE, on 31 July 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

You don't need a gun to protect yourself. Guns are distance weapons and not very efficient in close range. They are also heavy, need to be taken care of regularly, and need time to be made ready to fire. While they are able to be used as a defensive weapon in certain situations, they are actually designed as assault weapons.

It is actually much easier and safer for everyone to use pepper spray or stun guns. They do their job very well.

wow, but no.

[F3SS]

lightly, on 31 July 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

   *    .. and  although no one was ever killed by a piece of toast ,   hardly anyone has ever been killed by a gun either.       The cause of death  is nearly always the  BULLET.

I would gaurantee and place a hefty bet that someone somewhere has chocked to death on a piece of toast. Likely more than one occurrence. It's time to have a long overdue conversation in this country about chared breads. That means bagels and English muffins too people. Theres no room fr exceptions here.

[Junior Chubb]

jugoso, on 31 July 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Actually....toasters toast bread

Some Toasters toast people...  

[jugoso]

Junior Chubb, on 01 August 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

Some Toasters toast people...  

Some people get toasted

[Michelle]

FLOMBIE, on 31 July 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

You don't need a gun to protect yourself. Guns are distance weapons and not very efficient in close range. They are also heavy, need to be taken care of regularly, and need time to be made ready to fire. While they are able to be used as a defensive weapon in certain situations, they are actually designed as assault weapons.

It is actually much easier and safer for everyone to use pepper spray or stun guns. They do their job very well.

Huh?  You aren't familiar with firearms at all are you? From my personal experience, I don't want to have to get close enough to a someone, that intends to do me bodily harm, to use pepper spray or a stun gun. You may as well be telling me a knife is sufficient in response to a man that has fifty pounds on me. I don't care what is "easier or safer" for the assailant when my life is in danger. One of us is going down and I am going to do my best to make sure it isn't me.