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#16    Sundew

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 01:39 PM

"U.S. monster experts?" Finally, someone who can investigate Congress!


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 01:41 PM

View Postpaul the walrus, on 04 August 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Where are the video clips? These guys claim to be "Nessie Hunters" and they don't carry around video cameras. I call B.S.
Indeed, further to the above..  I see the following quotes being attributed to Cap'n Edwards, describing the incident:

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He quickly steered his boat in the direction of the hump and took a photograph before it disappeared.
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It was slowly moving up the loch...{Edwards} watched the mysterious moving body for about five to ten minutes before it finally sank below the surface.

Those statements are clearly contradictory - first he quickly snapped off a shot and it disappeared, but then he was watching it for 5-10 minutes?  And if he did watch it for that long, he only got one shot worth showing?

Give me a break.  Somebody is making stuff up.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 02:50 PM

View PostChrlzs, on 04 August 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Given this is Daily Fail stuff I'm not sure it is worth pursuing, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt..

Out of interest, there are several clues* that this image was taken with a reasonably wide field of view, say about 28-35mm equiv.  That being the case, and assuming the photographer is up on the deck of the sort of mid-sized vessel that the other photo indicates, I'll lay a sizable bet that thing was less than 150 yards from him.  If it's about a half mile away as claimed, I'll eat my hat.

Of course he had to make the claim it was far away, as if it is close it is obviously way too small...


I'm happy to elaborate on why I think it is much closer, but I'd prefer to keep that up my sleeve just in case ... for now I'll just say I'd like to see that image at full-resolution including exif data, and I'd also like to see a shot of that boat showing where the person was standing with his camera when it was taken.  I think a bit of fairly simple photogrammetry might show that the truth about the distance and size of the object is somewhat different to what is being claimed.  Why not come over to UM and discuss, Skipper George Edwards?  And to Steve Feltham, the local expert - why does he refer to images, plural, when only one has been shown? And what techniques did he apply to his analysis, I wonder?

I note George says that he can't say anything about the USA 'monster experts'...  Well, that's pretty dang convenient and I certainly believe him, oh yes I do..  I just want to know how he found and got in touch with them in the first place..  I'm afraid I'm not buying into his claim that they have properly analysed it - indeed, if they have, let's see the analysis, thanks, George...

BTW, I see George does the odd bit of advertising, but seriously, he needs a new portrait photographer who can tell him to not stare fixedly into the camera .. :P
I agree, the scale seems off for a large object.  The boat he is on is not very big, and fairly low to the water.  The photo of the object seems to be angling down. If that was the boat the photo was taken from the object couldnt be very far away or very large. It seems that since hes spent decades searching he would have had a video camera at the ready.  To me, the fact that there is no video means there was nothing moving to video


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 04:38 PM

for crying out loud. i cant remember the last time i saw a phone or even a digital camera these days that doesn't have a video capture mode on it! and one picture!!!


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 06:29 PM

I also did not know about the US having "monster experts" until they told us that mermaids don't exist.  Blink.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 06:55 PM

Looks realistic :) Maybe it looks small, because it is just a part of monster's body?


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 08:04 PM

Inconclusive. It just keeps the Nessie mystery going, without proof.


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:07 PM

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:33 PM

From the lead sub-title of the article:


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He even says image was verified by team of US military monster experts

US Military monster experts? Ok what designation do they have? What is their unit? "I'm with the 505th Monster Evaluation Detatchment out of Ft Bening, GA." Are you freaking kidding me? Serously? Dude's been smoking some good stuff and he needs to share some of it with us before that's going to fly.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 10:28 PM

This the video?



Trying to find the original clip

Edited by Jajusha, 04 August 2012 - 10:28 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:18 PM

I love the Nessie mystery but this is obviously a tourism boost.  :yes:


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:43 PM

I'll believe it's the Lock Ness Monster when they have a carcass, or a picture of the whole creature.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 03:22 AM

Another story for the Loch Ness Monster..Seems it has become popular

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 03:35 AM

My guess is it's a sturgeon , or a log floating in the water.  But I'm waiting on the report to be published by the military "Monster Experts". Wonder how long that will take?

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 03:57 AM

View PostChrlzs, on 04 August 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Given this is Daily Fail stuff I'm not sure it is worth pursuing, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt..

Out of interest, there are several clues* that this image was taken with a reasonably wide field of view, say about 28-35mm equiv.  That being the case, and assuming the photographer is up on the deck of the sort of mid-sized vessel that the other photo indicates, I'll lay a sizable bet that thing was less than 150 yards from him.  If it's about a half mile away as claimed, I'll eat my hat.

Of course he had to make the claim it was far away, as if it is close it is obviously way too small...


I'm happy to elaborate on why I think it is much closer, but I'd prefer to keep that up my sleeve just in case ... for now I'll just say I'd like to see that image at full-resolution including exif data, and I'd also like to see a shot of that boat showing where the person was standing with his camera when it was taken.  I think a bit of fairly simple photogrammetry might show that the truth about the distance and size of the object is somewhat different to what is being claimed.  Why not come over to UM and discuss, Skipper George Edwards?  And to Steve Feltham, the local expert - why does he refer to images, plural, when only one has been shown? And what techniques did he apply to his analysis, I wonder?

I note George says that he can't say anything about the USA 'monster experts'...  Well, that's pretty dang convenient and I certainly believe him, oh yes I do..  I just want to know how he found and got in touch with them in the first place..  I'm afraid I'm not buying into his claim that they have properly analysed it - indeed, if they have, let's see the analysis, thanks, George...

BTW, I see George does the odd bit of advertising, but seriously, he needs a new portrait photographer who can tell him to not stare fixedly into the camera .. :P

Hi Charles.,
I agree completely with you.   The first inconsistency I noticed with his story is this..... That photo was never taken from half a mile away. If it was, the boat would have had to be an extremely tall boat for that angle to be achieved.
I think this guy has just got frustrated at trying to find a non-existant creature for the last 26 years and has fabricated his story to make it sound more feasable.  Why do these people do this when it doesnt take rocket science to show they are trying to deceive?  Anyone with a basic knowledge of photography can see the pitfalls in his story!
Having said all that, I know from experience that when a paper gets hold of a photograph they very often put their own words into print and not those of the original photographer so I now tend to read such things with a pinch of salt lol :)





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