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#1    TrueBeliever

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:12 PM

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If you don't like gay marriage.....don't get gay married!

Seriously I dont see why christians feel so threatened by gay marriage. I think more will come around though. Look how many used to support slavery, and own slaves, and now they believe that to be wrong. They dont stone adulterers anymore, and they dont burn witches at the stake......so I hold out hope that they will see the light. They are just a little slow.....


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:26 PM

Christians dont mind gay marriages as long as its not in a christian church. im a christian and some of my best friends are gay, i have no problem with gay marriage. Every church i have been to in my life has never even spoken on homosexuals but rather a love for all people no matter their background. christians are in no way obsessed with homosexuals, how many christians offline have you spoken to? if your speaking to people online and pursuing the topic of agaisnt gay marrige then of course your going to have the opinion that all christians are obsessed with gay marrige.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:33 PM

View PostEver Learning, on 03 August 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Christians dont mind gay marriages as long as its not in a christian church. im a christian and some of my best friends are gay, i have no problem with gay marriage. Every church i have been to in my life has never even spoken on homosexuals but rather a love for all people no matter their background. christians are in no way obsessed with homosexuals, how many christians offline have you spoken to? if your speaking to people online and pursuing the topic of agaisnt gay marrige then of course your going to have the opinion that all christians are obsessed with gay marrige.

Well I was raised a christian, in fact I lived in a town in Texas, Keene that was about 5,000 christians, at work most the christians speak constantly of how gays are going to hell...so yes dear...I speak to living breathing face to face christians who are some of the meanest humans I have ever met.......on the other hand, some of the nicest people I know are christians.....that's lovely that your congregation is so supportive and kind...but it is the Bible that instigates this nonsense.....and as an atheist...it wasnt the people that made me one....it was reading the Bible:)


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:37 PM

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The bottom line to legal marriage, gay or otherwise, can be summed up thusly.

Marriage is not regulated within any church.  No church issues a marriage license.  No church runs the courts which oversee divorce proceedings.  Marriage is not a religious undertaking, it is a legal undertaking.  Therefore marriage falls under the domain of various government agencies, and specifically the courts of law.

It is, I assume, ilegal for the government to discriminate, therefore it is ilegal to for the courts to decide based on sex or sexual orientation, who can and cannot be married or to who, so any two adults not currently under a marriage contract with another adult should be eligible to be married and expect to have access to the same right, privelges, and responsibilities of any other married couple.


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:38 PM

Is there a reason the government is allowed to ban marriage? Church and state separated quite awhile ago if I'm not mistaken. Honestly hatred is not my main concern. Humans will be ignorant and that will not stop.

But BANNING a declaration of love? Someone tell me why the government has this power?


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:41 PM

View PostKazoo, on 03 August 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

Is there a reason the government is allowed to ban marriage? Church and state separated quite awhile ago if I'm not mistaken. Honestly hatred is not my main concern. Humans will be ignorant and that will not stop.

But BANNING a declaration of love? Someone tell me why the government has this power?


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You're treating it as an emotional undertaking, which it is, but despite how anyone feels about marriage it is a questions of a legal contractual agreement and should be treated as such by the government.


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:41 PM

Here in the States they keep trying to swart any attempt to get gay marriage laws on the books. Some of them would like to go back to the good old days of stoning, burning and torturing anybody who doesn't live by their code. I am hope someday the laws with change and put an end to this discriminaion.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:42 PM

View PostOverSword, on 03 August 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

The bottom line to legal marriage, gay or otherwise, can be summed up thusly.

Marriage is not regulated within any church.  No church issues a marriage license.  No church runs the courts which oversee divorce proceedings.  Marriage is not a religious undertaking, it is a legal undertaking.  Therefore marriage falls under the domain of various government agencies, and specifically the courts of law.

It is, I assume, ilegal for the government to discriminate, therefore it is ilegal to for the courts to decide based on sex or sexual orientation, who can and cannot be married or to who, so any two adults not currently under a marriage contract with another adult should be eligible to be married and expect to have access to the same right, privelges, and responsibilities of any other married couple.


It is rather obvious to me why the govt denies the right.....RELIGIOUS WACKOS that think it is their business who sleeps with who, who marries who......it is religious people, who form churches that are the reason.....dont want to piss off the right! lol wow.....the obvioius eludes some


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:44 PM

View PostTrueBeliever, on 03 August 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

Well I was raised a christian, in fact I lived in a town in Texas, Keene that was about 5,000 christians, at work most the christians speak constantly of how gays are going to hell...so yes dear...I speak to living breathing face to face christians who are some of the meanest humans I have ever met.......on the other hand, some of the nicest people I know are christians.....that's lovely that your congregation is so supportive and kind...but it is the Bible that instigates this nonsense.....and as an atheist...it wasnt the people that made me one....it was reading the Bible:)

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Well I was raised a christian, in fact I lived in a town in Texas, Keene that was about 5,000 christians, at work most the christians speak constantly of how gays are going to hell...so yes dear...I speak to living breathing face to face christians who are some of the meanest humans I have ever met.......on the other hand, some of the nicest people I know are christians.....that's lovely that your congregation is so supportive and kind...but it is the Bible that instigates this nonsense.....and as an atheist...it wasnt the people that made me one....it was reading the Bible:)
the christians at your work are a minority and dont represent all christians. the bible says alot of things that people would consider bad and good, im sorry if you feel it is nonsense and that it made you become an atheist. when it was written it was meant as good news rather than bad

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:47 PM

View PostEver Learning, on 03 August 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

the christians at your work are a minority and dont represent all christians. the bible says alot of things that people would consider bad and good, im sorry if you feel it is nonsense and that it made you become an atheist. when it was written it was meant as good news rather than bad

dont be sad! Best thing ever happened to me..
...I disagree that all the christians I know who are bigots are a minority......must be a wonderful utopian community you live in......


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:51 PM

View PostTrueBeliever, on 03 August 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

It is rather obvious to me why the govt denies the right.....RELIGIOUS WACKOS that think it is their business who sleeps with who, who marries who......it is religious people, who form churches that are the reason.....dont want to piss off the right! lol wow.....the obvioius eludes some

Actually this is up to the state governements.  I believe gay marriage is legal in Maine, Massachusetts, Hawaii, and almost ratified in Washington.  I may be wrong about some of those states and there may be others in the process like my home state.


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:54 PM

View PostTrueBeliever, on 03 August 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

dont be sad! Best thing ever happened to me..
...I disagree that all the christians I know who are bigots are a minority......must be a wonderful utopian community you live in......

View PostTrueBeliever, on 03 August 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

dont be sad! Best thing ever happened to me..
...I disagree that all the christians I know who are bigots are a minority......must be a wonderful utopian community you live in......
you dont sound that happy, when i read the things you have written. i wouldnt say i live in a utopian community, theres troubles here just like there is every where else.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:57 PM

View PostTrueBeliever, on 03 August 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

It is rather obvious to me why the govt denies the right.....RELIGIOUS WACKOS that think it is their business who sleeps with who, who marries who......it is religious people, who form churches that are the reason.....dont want to piss off the right! lol wow.....the obvioius eludes some
TB don't you find it the least bit confusing that a gay couple actually WANT the blessing of a religious entity?  Many States have civil unions with most if not all the legal rights of a married couple but it's not enough for many in this debate.  Many of the most vocal pro gay marriage want exactly the same right including that a religious marriage ceremony be available in a church where the members disagree.  This is the only thing concerning gay marriage that offends me.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:57 PM

View PostOverSword, on 03 August 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Actually this is up to the state governements.  I believe gay marriage is legal in Maine, Massachusetts, Hawaii, and almost ratified in Washington.  I may be wrong about some of those states and there may be others in the process like my home state.

well, hopefully more state govts stop listening to the obsessed crazy christian far right tyrants who think they have a right to control otherrs' lives! enough is enough! I am straight as can be, have no desire urge curiosity to go gay....buy they have rights as a human being....and i will stand up for them. Just like I stand up for anyones rights.....these idiots scream that the govt is too much in everybodys business..........then THEY go sticking their noses and beliefs where they have NO right! It is disgusting really....anyone who is threatened by gay marriage, or who thinks it hurts their  hetero marriage is disillusioned and dumb. it is doesnt eliminate their choices! But THEY want to eliminate anothers choice......it is wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:59 PM

View PostTrueBeliever, on 03 August 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

dont be sad! Best thing ever happened to me..
...I disagree that all the christians I know who are bigots are a minority......must be a wonderful utopian community you live in......

LOL!!!  The key is it aint Texas!! :w00t:

But honestly, it will vary from congregation to congregation, but most will definetly agree that the Bible says God frowns on homosexuality, and it's a sin. Most will also agree, from my experience, hate the sin, love the sinner.  Jesus would never turn anyone away.  The church closest to my house has a huge rainbow colored banner that reads Come in, you are welcome here! I don't participate in organized religion myself as I believe a huge part of Jesus's message was that you can pray directly to God.  No need for a middle man or a sacrifice.

I'm sure that most religious people are correct in stating that according to the bible God would not approve of gay marriage but as I pointed out in previous posts, we have taken the church out of the regulation of marriage decades if not a century ago.





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