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#91    preacherman76

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:25 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 August 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

I never said anything about supporting al-Qaeda.

Closing your eyes to the fact that you are supporting AQ, dosnt make it any less so. AQ took down Lybia with our support. They are currently doing the same in Syria.


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The killing would have occurred even if we stood back and watched from the sidelines. You must remember that inaction embolden Hitler, which resulted in the deaths of millions of people during World War II and inaction resulted in the deaths of thousands of people in the Balkans.

Lybia was invaded by a foriegn entity of whom Qaddafi would have crushed within weeks if not for night and day air campaigns run by NATO. No where near 30,000 would have died. And now Lybia is run by people who make Qaddafi look like santa claus. But hey at least they have a nice new IMF building, while the rest of the country is in ruins.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:29 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 09 August 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

Closing your eyes to the fact that you are supporting AQ, dosnt make it any less so. AQ took down Lybia with our support. They are currently doing the same in Syria.

That doesn't work. You might want to consider starting another thread on Libya and Syria.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:30 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 August 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

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Osama bin Laden

Yea that looks like him. But maybe not. Will the real bin laden please stand up?



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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:31 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 09 August 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

The 93 attack was another inside job, run by a FBI informant.

The United 93 crash had nothing to do with an inside job. Tell us, who has been arrested for the 9/11 attacks?

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:33 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 09 August 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Yea that looks like him. But maybe not. Will the real bin laden please stand up?

The photo I posted of Osama bin Laden is all that is needed, and there is much you do not know.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:37 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 August 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

That doesn't work. You might want to consider starting another thread on Libya and Syria.

Why, Its 100% relevent. It proves beyond any question that the US and AQ have and continue to work together. Even in a post 9/11 world. That we are more then happy to work with known terrorist whom our government has dismantled our constitution over. I understand why a guy like you would want these facts to go away though. You were more then happy to talk about Syia and Lybia, till the reality of the situation was brought up.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:39 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 09 August 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

Lybia was invaded by a foriegn entity of whom Qaddafi would have crushed within weeks if not for night and day air campaigns run by NATO.

Wrong again, Libya was invaded by Santa Claus and several reindeer, one of whom has a red nose.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:39 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 August 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

The United 93 crash had nothing to do with an inside job. Tell us, who has been arrested for the 9/11 attacks?

"The terrorist, one of whom set off explosives under one of the WTC towers in 1993"

I wasnt talking about a crash. I was responding to this comment.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:43 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 August 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

The photo I posted of Osama bin Laden is all that is needed, and there is much you do not know.

There is much I dont know. But one thing I do know is our government has past off several different men to be OSBL. Another thing I know, is they cant all be him. Another thing I know, is if they arent all him, then chances are the folks they lied to us telling us these were all him, probabl work for us. Hmm

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:44 AM

View PostTK0001, on 08 August 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Hopefully by now you've learned that over here in America, 9/11 can become a never-ending topic full of willful denial and perpetual goalpost shifting. But never fear, these discussions usually only take place in cyberspace. To actually present actual proof of one's fanciful conspiracy theory in, say, a court of law is to this point nothing but a fantasy, no matter how "iron clad" the evidence is claimed to be. So it's really an exercise in futility.
Well said!

It does still interest me, what people who have looked into it in depth tend to think. This thread is great for my intended purpose. It gives me some form of understanding as to why some people beleive the consipracies, and others do not. Sakaris poll information post was particularly usefull, as it more reflects the general population, and not just those with say, a deep interest into the matter. Given Sakari's rep on here I do trust he has already ensured the data is valid, real data. But then this thread provides some of the non-general, more specific particulars of the argument, which gives me a bit of an understanding of why people lean either way.

Me, I simply don't know enough about it but I don't beleive the conspiracies so far.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:46 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 09 August 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

Why, Its 100% relevent. It proves beyond any question that the US and AQ have and continue to work together.

You say that the U.S. government and al-Qaeda continue to work together, but considerng that we have been picking off al-Qaeda members over the years, I don't think so!!

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:49 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 09 August 2012 - 01:43 AM, said:

There is much I dont know.

I knew that because if you did know what has been going on over the years, you would not have placed the United States and al-Qaeda in the same boat. As I have said before, the United States has been picking off al-Qaeda members and its leadership, one by one.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:44 AM

View PostTaylorReints, on 09 August 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen (Muslims who believe they struggle in the path of God) during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. How does this have to do with terrorism?
Al Q grew out of the Mujihadeen, with the assistance of both the CIA and the Saudi government, because that added element of super-fundamentalist zeal would be just what was needed to defeat the Russkies. Only trouble was, after the Russkies had had enough, the Mujihadeen and their zealous friends didn't wind down, once they'd built up that head of zeal they began looking at others who'd come muscling intoin the Middle East, i.e. the decadent West.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:29 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 August 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

You say that the U.S. government and al-Qaeda continue to work together, but considerng that we have been picking off al-Qaeda members over the years, I don't think so!!

Its not a question of what you think. NATO air craft has flown AQ members from Lybia to Syria. Apparently what goes on in Afgan, stays in Afgan. CAuse there is no denieing, unless you must lie to yourself, that we are arming and aiding them as we speak. There is no way around it, over it, or under it. This is fact.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:53 AM

View PostPulsar_J, on 09 August 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

Well said!

It does still interest me, what people who have looked into it in depth tend to think. This thread is great for my intended purpose. It gives me some form of understanding as to why some people beleive the consipracies, and others do not. Sakaris poll information post was particularly usefull, as it more reflects the general population, and not just those with say, a deep interest into the matter. Given Sakari's rep on here I do trust he has already ensured the data is valid, real data. But then this thread provides some of the non-general, more specific particulars of the argument, which gives me a bit of an understanding of why people lean either way.

Me, I simply don't know enough about it but I don't beleive the conspiracies so far.

Hey Pulsar.

Just wanted to throw a detail your way. Dont know if you have been made aware of yet. The day of 9/11, the US air force were conducting drills for this exact situation. And I mean exact to the tee. That planes would be highjacked and flown into the towers. The terrorists, with amazing dumb luck, happened to pick the very, and only day ever, to strike were enough confusion could be made to pull it off without a instant responce from fighter craft. Now this in and of itself, isnt enough to lable it a inside job. Now fast forward to the 07 London bombing. Once all the smoke cleared, we find that the UK government happen to be holding drills. Drills that fit again 100% to the tee of what actualy took place that day. Bombs would go off in the subway system. A Bus would also be attacked. The statistical odds of either one of these attacks falling on the same exact day of these drill is unlikly, to say the least. The odds of it happening for BOTH attacks isnt statisticaly possible. I believe the mathmatition who calculated the possibility used the words "beyond absurd".

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