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Roswell: Two Crashes, Not One

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#46    TheMacGuffin

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:25 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 08 August 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

The enigma I find with LaPaz is that people saw him talk about UFO's as if he felt they were from another planet, but his official reports that actually went places suggested they were Russian spy devices. There seems to be two very distinct stories here, he seems to have had a more exciting story for the public than he did for his superiors.


It's almost impossible to find ANY of his reports to his superiors about UFOs, but that's also true about Walker, Sarbacher and all the rest of the scientists who worked on these early investigations.  We know for a fact that they did, but there's virtually no written record of what they did, at least nothing that's available to the public.

There's nothing in the official record that LaPaz was ever in Roswell, and in fact there's nothing in it at all except the stuff about Project Mogul, the Blanchard pres release and the FBI memo.  There's not even a document that anyone ever visited the crash site for any reason, whether to find a balloon or anything else, although we know that people were there.  

People often complain that the UFO field relies only on eyewitness testimony, but part of the problem is that so many "official" records are obviously being withheld that often we would never know anything at all without the witnesses.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:32 PM

I mean, there's not even an official record that Jesse Marcel visited the crash site and then collected wreckage and reported back to his superiors, or any report from Gen. Ramey to his superiors, although these certainly must have existed in some form.  There's no official report about anyone being anywhere at all or looking at any kind of wreckage, even though we know from many witnesses that they did.  We have Gen. Thomas DuBose and many others who have confirmed that over the years.

Indeed, if there was a report or a document anywhere, of any kind, that someone looked at this wreckage and found that it was from a Mogul balloon, not even THAT has ever been produced.  Just the opposite, according to the paper thin "official" paper trail, no one ever went anywhere or did anything, so either nothing happened at all or every single witness we have is an absolute liar or crazy.

All those important "official reports" about Roswell and UFOs in the 1990s that supposedly did an exhaustive search for records, yet for some reason all they ever came up with were documents that UFO researchers had already known about for many years.  LOL.  For Roswell, they couldn't even find a single new document that supported their case that it was a Mogul balloon--not ONE--and then their speculations about crash test dummies were as goofy as anything ever produced by our side concerning Roswell, yet somehow this still stands as the "official" truth.

No, that won't do at all, because it's based on nothing.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 08 August 2012 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:21 PM

And this is a new theory because French says so? As others have pointed out, this has come up before. I suppose having a military rank is supposed to give credibility. Why, I have no idea.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:09 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 07 August 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

Frank Stranges said that his people lived underground on the planet Venus

Boy, you'd have to.
I don't know why someone, in the 1950s, would be so ignorant of astronomy that they'd still try to claim such a preposterous claim. It's not as if not much was known about venus by then, was it? At least ol' Billy Meier put his in the Pleaides, where no one had any idea what it might be like, or if there might be any planets there at all.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:07 PM

We will never know the truth about Roswell untill an actual alien lands on earth and asks for he's great granddad Zobxo back. lol  :alien:


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:46 PM

Does French have a book coming out soon too?


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:00 AM

there was probably no crash at all


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:31 AM

View Postcsspwns, on 09 August 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

there was probably no crash at all

I doubt that anyone would ever have known about it had Marcel, Blanchard and Haut not sent out that press release, for which they caught unshirted hell from Washington.  Nor would anyone have known about it if Stanton Friedman hadn't met Marcel by chance 39 years later.  

Jesse Marcel was the one who made Roswell part of history, and ultimately all the roads lead back to him.  Of course, we could also give credit to Leonard Nemoy and the old TV show In Search Of, which was actually the first time I ever heard of Roswell and Jesse Marcel.  They took him back to the old debris field and he was still saying that an alien spaceship had crashed.  I remember watching that episode when it was first broadcast.

Before that time, I don't think I had ever even herad of the town of Roswell, much less the story of a UFO crash.  No one used to talk about anything like that in the past.

And with that we are right back where it all started.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 09 August 2012 - 02:14 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:22 AM

ow ! wow the thor 2 laser!!!!! ionic discharge, who doesn't know that!


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:08 AM

I reckon it was only one crash, the debris in the field from the initial impact and what was left flew further on to the second crash site. And I do believe Jesse Marcel that what he saw was not a balloon.  :alien:


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:23 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 09 August 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

I doubt that anyone would ever have known about it had Marcel, Blanchard and Haut not sent out that press release, for which they caught unshirted hell from Washington.  Nor would anyone have known about it if Stanton Friedman hadn't met Marcel by chance 39 years later.  

Jesse Marcel was the one who made Roswell part of history, and ultimately all the roads lead back to him.  Of course, we could also give credit to Leonard Nemoy and the old TV show In Search Of, which was actually the first time I ever heard of Roswell and Jesse Marcel.  They took him back to the old debris field and he was still saying that an alien spaceship had crashed.  I remember watching that episode when it was first broadcast.

Before that time, I don't think I had ever even herad of the town of Roswell, much less the story of a UFO crash.  No one used to talk about anything like that in the past.

And with that we are right back where it all started.

On TV did you see the interview of Frankie Rowe who was 12 at the time of the supposive roswell crash. Her father was on the fire department and they
went out to the site and claimed to see little people. She said that the military came to their house and threatened the family to keep quiet. Interesting

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:24 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 08 August 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

It's almost impossible to find ANY of his reports to his superiors about UFOs, but that's also true about Walker, Sarbacher and all the rest of the scientists who worked on these early investigations.  We know for a fact that they did, but there's virtually no written record of what they did, at least nothing that's available to the public.

I was thinking about the Green Fireballs he investigated, there seems much corroboration of his thoughts on that one.

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 08 August 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

There's nothing in the official record that LaPaz was ever in Roswell, and in fact there's nothing in it at all except the stuff about Project Mogul, the Blanchard pres release and the FBI memo.  There's not even a document that anyone ever visited the crash site for any reason, whether to find a balloon or anything else, although we know that people were there.  

There were also many civillians there as well though. I still find it hard to fathom that not a one pocketed a piece of debris, unless it was not all that extraordinary.

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 08 August 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

People often complain that the UFO field relies only on eyewitness testimony, but part of the problem is that so many "official" records are obviously being withheld that often we would never know anything at all without the witnesses.

Some force testimony but that is just taking the eye of the beholder for gospel. I think it is a lazy way to investigate cases, and testimony I feel can only be a precursor to investigation. With such a big question we need good evidences to resolve anything. Personal interpretation should not have bearing, only description, but that rarely, if ever, happens. Official record would help with older cases, but I do not think there is much standing in the way of any individual who wants to pursue the subject. Any modern case can be attacked with gusto, and I would encourage people to do so. As such, I feel the answer to the overall question should not be beyond any person today.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:33 AM

This was the In Search Of episode from 1980, where Jesse Marcel first appeared on national TV.  That was the old show hosted by Leonard Nimoy, and was very popular at the time.  Millions of people would never had heard of Roswell at all if not for this show.  I'm certain that I never heard of it before this show was broadcast, or anything like it.



Jesse Marcel stated at this time that he was told by Gen. Ramey to keep his mouth shut, which he did for 30 years.  I get the impression that it was a story he really wanted to tell, though.

He described the debris field as extensive and that there were many small pieces of the "tinfoil" that couldn't be burned, bent or dented.  That's what really got the whole Roswell story started.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 09 August 2012 - 04:50 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:39 AM

Marcel went on national TV and said that the stuff he found in Roswell was "not anything from this earth", which was quite a big deal in 1980, since few people had ever heard anything like this story before.

Nimoy also interviewer Peter Gerstein, who first found that famous FBI document about the "experimental kite" crashing in Roswell.  To this day, it is one of the very few government documents that has ever been released about Roswell.  

Certainly the actual report that Jesse Marcel wrote about the debris field has never been released, although it would have been if it confirmed the Mogul balloon story.  Of course, we know for a fact that Marcel stated emphatically it was not balloon wreckage or anything remotely like it.

This is the full episode from In Search Of.



Edited by TheMacGuffin, 09 August 2012 - 04:43 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:47 AM

View PostRyegrog, on 09 August 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

On TV did you see the interview of Frankie Rowe who was 12 at the time of the supposive roswell crash. Her father was on the fire department and they
went out to the site and claimed to see little people. She said that the military came to their house and threatened the family to keep quiet. Interesting

I could believe that since we know that Mac Brazel's whole family was threatened and told to keep quiet, and his two adult sons hurried back to Roswell when they heard their father was being held at the base.  This clean up operation on their ranch was lengthy and extensive.






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