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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:26 PM

Washington Post said:


The Wall Street Journal editorial page has joined the growing movement of influential conservatives uniting behind hero wonk Paul Ryan for vice president. “The larger strategic point,” they counsel, “is that Mr. Romney’s best chance for victory is to make this a big election over big issues.” And Ryan is Mr. Big Issues.

But the smaller, more Machiavellian point is that Ryan is Romney’s best chance to diffuse the blame if he loses this election. If Romney chooses the proverbial “incredibly boring white guy” and then goes down in November, conservatives will place the blame squarely on Romney’s shoulders: He was a flip-flopping, Massachusetts Moderate with a cautious campaign and a car elevator. The narrative, in fact, is already set. In July, the Wall Street Journal editorial page accused Romney of “slowly squandering an historic opportunity.” They would simply have to change “squandering” to “squandered.” And Romney knows it.

But if Romney chooses Ryan — if he makes this the “big election over big issues” that the Wall Street Journal editorial page wants — then his loss will be their loss as well. He’ll still be blamed, of course. But the fact will remain that he took conservative counsel, adopted conservative ideas, named a conservative hero as his vice president, ran on the Ryan budget, and lost to a liberal. The right will not be able to pretend they weren’t on the ticket. They will have chosen the ticket. The right will not be able to say Romney ran a cautious campaign. They will have cranked his campaign’s strategy up to 11.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:36 PM

I think don't think Romney's plan should focus on what to do if he loses :ph34r:
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:46 PM

View PostVein Capital, on 09 August 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

I think don't think Romney's plan should focus on what to do if he loses :ph34r:

Guess he might want to plan for the most likely outcome :devil:

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:54 PM

Sounds like it might be easier on Romney in the long run if he did pick Ryan as VP.  To be honest I don't think it will matter because Romney won't win anyway.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 04:11 PM

Ryan is an idiot...that is one sure-fire way to lose.  His budget plan...while I do appreciate fiscal responsibility...is totally unrealistic and a fantasy....maybe he will one day find his dreams...'somewhere over the rainbow".

The Repubs have to get real.  There is no room for perfect fantasy in the real world.  As a Libertarian, I appreciate social freedom and economic reality and responsibility.  Ryan would be a death nail in a coffin the main title has been building rather well without assistance.

We have a situation to deal with...idealism is all fine and dandy but it rarely solves problems...time to get real.  we can balance the budget but it is going to require bi-partisanship...cutting things and increasing taxes...why is this so hard for some idiots to understand?

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I know someone is likely to say that my points are not "true" Libertarian...that may be the case but I do appreciate a "pure" libertarian view.  I am a realist though.  We have a situation...it needs solving....I would love it if that we as a nation would have lived by the ideals our founding fathers had for this country when they started it...but we didn't.  We had all these grandiose ideas to add and they have cost us...alot.

I personally think we need to be steering the ship toward the Libertarian goals and vision...but I am realistic enough to know you cannot do that overnight.

I think a man should be able to take a cart, attach a grill to it and go sell hot dogs for $1.50 each and feed his family...I am fine with that...the idea that you want to regulate and tax that ambition into oblivion irritates me....

If a man wants to push a mower around through a neighborhood and get 5 bucks per lawn...I'm cool with that.  If a woman wants to take her clothes off and dance around a fireman's pole for a few dollars per song...I am fine with that too.

I am fine with almost anything a person wants to do to make money.  I am not their judge.  If their is a market for it...let them have at it.... don't care.  I DO care when we decide it is ok to hurt someone for money or to save money...that is not ok....

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:03 PM

Wow....BR Cornelius....I am flattered you liked my post....I have read many of your posts and I have always appreciated your opinion....even when I did not agree with it.  I am not a hardcore anything...I am a human being...times change...opinions move...it is always relevant to our current state of being.

I do not want to see people suffer.  i do not want to see people overly policed.  I want to see freedom in action....and that...my friend...is the nature of Libertarianism.....I want people to do well....I do not want to inhibit them....within all of us is greatness....who am I to create laws to curb your greatness?

I think we have it in us to overcome this stagnant pool...I am utterly amazed each day at how clever some of our audience can be...we still have hope....even when the hammer is trying to smash it to oblivion....

Never give up hope...never quit trying to make things better....the effort is all that matters....there is someone out there watching but damned if I know their name...they will assist...in the most quiet and unnoticeable ways you can imagine....but the point is....something is there and it does care.....accept it's blessing and enjoy....sh!t will hit the fan but some of us will be free to be observers....count your blessings....

All that sh!t being said...I am still a realist.  I do believe there is something "out there" but whether it chooses to help us here and now is speculative....we have to live like it is not going to....so .....get over yourself and live accordingly...doom may be tomorrow...it might be 25 years away.....

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