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#316    kmt_sesh

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:07 AM

View Postlightly, on 12 October 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

i was following along quite easily. :w00t:    but .. the merger was a good idea.

You're a sharp cookie, lightly. I'm not surprised. But if you trace back through these pages, you'll notice several complaints by other posters (directly and indirectly). I agreed with them. There's no reason to have three different threads running concurrently on the same topic. I'm not even sure there was a real need for the third and newest thread, given that its subject matter was already being discussed in one (or both) of the original two.

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  Was it something like 3 thousand years  that the site had been used? kmt, or anyone... kmt_sesh may be busy doing moderator stuff  ;)

The 3 thousand years that the Unexplained-Mysteries site had been used? Yes, sometimes it seems like that.

Oh, you mean Göbekli Tepe. See cormac's preceding post.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:41 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 12 October 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:



The 3 thousand years that the Unexplained-Mysteries site had been used? Yes, sometimes it seems like that.

Oh, you mean Göbekli Tepe. See cormac's preceding post.

I just couldn't help myself. :innocent:

I am quite sure one of the sites I mentioned in this thread had been occupied from at least 10-11,000 BC, but I don't remember which one it was.

If you had not merged 3 threads, I would only have to wade through 10 pages or something, lol.

Anyway, it must have been in the several pdfs I linked to.

Something to ponder about: people in the middle ages tended to build a cathedral on a spot where there was already some ancient and less 'sophisticated' church: they demolished the old building and then built the magnificent cathedrals on that same spot.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:57 AM

Again what I saying guys, how could Gobekli Tepe`s architectural design of the T stones be so perfect, even built a thousand years after its foundation, when so many other earlier megalitic strutures arround the world look so pimitive. I believe in the evolution of all things even architectural design.:)

At a number of sites in eastern Turkey, large ceremonial complexes from the 9th millennium BC have been discovered.[6] They belong to the incipient phases of agriculture and animal husbandry. Large circular structures involving carved megalithic orthostats are a typical feature, e.g. at Nevali Cori and Göbekli Tepe. Although these structures are the most ancient megalithic structures known so far, it is not clear that any of the European Megalithic traditions (see below) are actually derived from them.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:01 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 12 October 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

One thousand years, IIRC.

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  Hi cormac.. thanks for the answer. ( you too kmt)    ..  If the site was in use from  about 11000 BC until abandoned in about 7000 BC  wouldn't that be about 3 thousand years? i could be entirely wrong..   but isn't that what the datings say?     I thought so from what i can piece together from what i've read 'here' and   there.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:20 PM

View Postlightly, on 12 October 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

  Hi cormac.. thanks for the answer. ( you too kmt) ..  If the site was in use from  about 11000 BC until abandoned in about 7000 BC  wouldn't that be about 3 thousand years? i could be entirely wrong..   but isn't that what the datings say? I thought so from what i can piece together from what i've read 'here' and   there.

It was not a pdf, but this is it:

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The most recent building phase at Göbekli Tepe (Level II) has been dated both comparatively and absolutely (C14) to ca 8,000 BC, with an earlier primary building phase (Level III) ending as early as 9,000 BC. The age of the earliest occupation cannot yet be determined; the depth of the deposit, however, would suggest a period of several millennia, which signifies that the site had already existed in early Palaeolithic times.

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Karahan Tepe, a site only discovered in the late 1990s and still awaiting full excavation. This is located near Sogmatar on the Harran Plain, and dates back 11,000 years at least. Already a large number of T-Shaped pillars and stone rows have been uncovered here.

Karahan Tepe lies 60 km east from Urfa in an area called Tektek Daglari. Some 266 in situ pillars (Like the Göbekli pillars...only smaller) cover the field and are visible 50-60 cm above ground level. The rest of the pillars are still covered under the earth.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:27 PM

ah... thanks a lot Abramelin...    Your off the hook cormac ;)

Edit to add:  kmt_sesh...  you said no SANE person could follow the three simultaneous threads..  that's why i said it was easy for me ...  (hehe)  I'm not all that sharp a cookie :)

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:48 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 11 October 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

A bit more about a relation between ancient Crete and ancient Anatolia:


DNA sheds light on Minoans

Crete’s fabled Minoan civilization was built by people from Anatolia, according to a new study by Greek and foreign scientists that disputes an earlier theory that said the Minoans’ forefathers had come from Africa.

The new study – a collaboration by experts in Greece, the USA, Canada, Russia and Turkey – drew its conclusions from the DNA analysis of 193 men from Crete and another 171 from former neolithic colonies in central and northern Greece.

The results show that the country’s neolithic population came to Greece by sea from Anatolia – modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria – and not from Africa as maintained by US scholar Martin Bernal.

The DNA analysis indicates that the arrival of neolithic man in Greece from Anatolia coincided with the social and cultural upsurge that led to the birth of the Minoan civilization, Constantinos Triantafyllidis of Thessaloniki’s Aristotle University told Kathimerini.

“Until now we only had the archaeological evidence – now we have genetic data too and we can date the DNA,” he said.

Archeological dates for the colonisation of Crete are about 7,000 BC.

In more detail...

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They identified J2a parent haplogroup J2a-M410 (Crete: 25.9%) with the first ancient residents of Crete during the Neolithic (8500 BCE – 4300 BCE) suggesting Crete was founded by a Neolithic population expansion from ancient Turkey/Anatolia. Specifically, the researchers connected the source population of ancient Crete to well known Neolithic sites of ancient Anatolia: Asıklı Höyük, Çatalhöyük, Hacılar, Mersin/Yumuktepe, and Tarsus. Haplogroup J2b-M12 (Crete: 3.1%; Greece: 5.9%) was associated with Neolithic Greece. Haplogroups J2a1h-M319 (8.8%) and J2a1b1-M92 (2.6%) were associated with the Minoan culture linked to a late Neolithic/ Early Bronze Age migration to Crete ca. 3100 BCE from North-Western/Western Anatolia and Syro-Palestine (ancient Canaan, Levant, and pre-Akkadian Anatolia); Aegean prehistorians link the date 3100 BCE to the origins of the Minoan culture on Crete.


http://mathildasanth...ns-dna-and-all/
http://onlinelibrary....20857/abstract

What dawned upon me after reading that post again (for Puzzler's Snake Cult thread) is that seafaring (in the Med) must have been many thousands of years older.

There was already proof that man's ancestors came to Crete by sea more than 100,000 years ago, but the lower sea levels could have made it much more easy at that time (more islands above sea level, maybe some land bridge between Greece and Crete, or a Greek peninsula reaching very close to Crete).


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:29 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 11 August 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

The way the hands are placed above the loin cloth seems uncannily similar

Hi Harsh86!

Your observing skills are great. I noticed that too. Allow me:

1.Rapa Nui
2.Gobekli Tepe
3.Olmec
4.Sulawesi

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:35 PM

How come that we have same motive from different periods and different places? Anatolia, Rapa Nui, Sulawesi, Mexico.
Did people traveled from Turkey to Rapa Nui? Did just idea traveled? Did they copied same thing? What?

Many questions.

And what that represents? Awaking? Realizing that they are naked? Awerness?

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:39 PM

Here is all story about Rapa Nui. In short.


Dutch explorer Jacob Roggevee on 5 April 1722 year notice Island.  Rapa Nui. Because it was Easter he named it Eastern Island. 3700 km from Chile. On west to Polynesia island Pitcairn have 2000 km. Jacob was surprised by statues from two parts. Ahu and Moai. It was built from 1000 to 1400 year. No one knows for sure when Polynesians came with their catamarans. Historians believe that they came from Gambier Islands 2600 km distant or from Marquesas island 3200 km distant. When James Cook came on Rapa Nui one of his sailors from Bora Bora was able to speak with Rapa nui natives. Their language is 80% same as one spoken on Mangareva-Gambier Islands 2600 km distant. Experiment was done in 1999 when group of researchers in 19 days in Polynesian catamarans sailed from same island to Easter island. Rapa Nui is small island and people there fast change environment. We still didn’t deciphered Rongorongo glyphs. With Polynesians on islands came rats. Rats eat all palm seeds so new big palm didn’t grew. They grew minimum over 15 meters. They cut trees and found themselves in boats traps.  They couldn’t built ships and soon they were not able to go fishing.  Then sea bird population declined due deforestation-seeds, their egg carrier tournaments, or native diet. They didn’t have pigs or dogs, only chickens as main protein source. Some of Moai were down so that might indicate on tribe wars. Then ancestor cult died and rose Bird man cult raised by warrior caste-Matatoa. They have had egg carrier tournament. After they cut all trees and environmental degradation cannibalism appeared on island. We found it in tunnels under island. When Europeans came they were on their decline. Then smallpox half them and others are used as slaves.(?)
Notice that no one knows when they came. Also similar to Sulawesi megalitghs. Hm. Then Mexico is not that far.
I dont know Harsh but it is mystery that on four places on earth we have four identical designs. To add to mystery is time gap. That doesnt debunks it. It add that mystery become greater.

How? Why?

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:27 AM

Im sure that there is old african statue with same postion of hands but somehow I couldnt find it.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:43 AM

You are connecting cultures that differ 10,000 years in time and just because of a vague resemblance between the statues they erected.

You can easily find statues from millennia ago and from much more recent times and from all over the earth depicting people standing while holding their arms upwards, people sitting down, people bending over, people lying down and so on.

That's just people depicting people in postures people can assume..





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