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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:04 PM

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MARIKANA, South Africa  — South African riot police officers opened fire on striking miners armed with machetes and sticks at Lonmin’s Marikana platinum mine on Thursday, killing at least a dozen men in the deadliest episode of a week of union violence.

Heavily armed officers backed by armored vehicles were laying out barbed-wire barricades when they were outflanked by some of the estimated 3,000 miners massed on a rocky outcrop near the mine, 60 miles northwest of Johannesburg.

The police opened fire with automatic weapons on a group of men who burst out from behind a vehicle. The volley of bullets threw up clouds of dust, which cleared to reveal at least seven bodies lying on the ground, Reuters television footage showed.

Guess Nelson Mandela is sorry to have been in jail for this to happen... Looks like the old deKlerk and Botha days.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:25 PM

You forgot the link. :P

Edited by Coffey, 16 August 2012 - 06:29 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:00 PM

Seems kind of odd that the 'bullets threw up clouds of dust'... Were the police shooting low?  Granted I don't know the lay of the land or the terrain in any way, but I've seen mass volleys of gunfire in quite a few types of terrain and seldom saw 'a cloud of dust', unless the volley was fired into the ground (or a berm of dirt, etc)...

I guess what I'm wondering is did the police fire directly at the rioters, or - in an attempt to disperse them - did they just fire too close?


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:43 AM

How did the cradle of humanity end up being so behind and violent?

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 07:03 AM

Hard to believe that they shoot each other while the police officers should've joined the protest.

Finally a group of ppl you hear about that demands a higher pay. ... and the police shoots them.
All that for a company that takes their resources and is co-responsible for damning the nation to live in poverty.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 07:11 AM

i heard the miners were advancing on police with machetes and clubs?

Scratch that. Just found a link. If an army of armed miners are coming towards me with weapons, I'm shooting. It was all filmed by Reuters, clink on the link if you want to see it.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 07:49 AM

They were advancing like they were for 3 days straight.
The police had been negotiating with them all those days.

"Just before 4 p.m. on Thursday, after repeated warnings to the crowd of about 3,000 miners to disarm and disperse, the police began firing tear gas and water cannons to try to get them to leave, witnesses said. In video captured by several news organizations, the police appeared to fire upon a group of workers who charged toward them."
http://www.nytimes.c...ing-miners.html
seems like someone just lost their patience...



They should've just joined forces and went up to Lonmin (British Company - nothing african about it) and demanded some respect and higher pay.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 08:00 AM

Mate, the way they were charging with weapons raised hardly said "please negotiate with me". There was a direct threat to the live of the police sent to the region because of a dispute between two miners unions.

Have you seen that video??


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 08:08 AM

look, life there is different. Unions there don't come on the street with whistles and banners. They go on the street with machetes, guns and whatever they want.
They had been negotiating for 3 full days.

Thereafter the police was feeling they were running out of time and threw tear gas up in there.
the workers charged, the police reacted
The police in Africa is more aggressive anyway. It's like America, but with less rules.


The fact that they fought each other while they should've been fighting together against the one that extorts the countries resources is wrong.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:52 PM

Ooft, that video was carnage. They were just mown down. Brutal.

I can sort of understand the police defending themselves, but there were no warning shots, no rubber bullets, no aiming at legs or the ground in front of them - nothing non-lethal to deter the protesters.

I think the shooting was intended to send a clear message to the protesters.

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 17 August 2012 - 01:53 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 02:18 PM

Seems justified if they where running at them with machettes etc.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:51 PM

A sad situation but if you start running at guys with guns with a machette they're going to take you down.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 10:01 PM

The reporter on CNN said he protesters shot first, I couldn't see any miners with guns in the videos.  I guess it doesn't mean here weren't any it just seems like an odd thing to say.

I feel bad for the whole continent of Africa, the rest of the world has been taking their resources for a very long time and providing nothing of value in return.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 12:00 AM

View PostRob Awesome, on 17 August 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

The reporter on CNN said he protesters shot first, I couldn't see any miners with guns in the videos.  I guess it doesn't mean here weren't any it just seems like an odd thing to say.

I feel bad for the whole continent of Africa, the rest of the world has been taking their resources for a very long time and providing nothing of value in return.
I thought I saw a single muzzle flash on the left side of the crowd but I only perceived it after the main shooting began.  They no doubt were sending a message.  It's not much better than outright slavery from the looks of it.  The mine and it's owners should be boycotted.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 04:15 AM

Lovely.

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