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#1    Golly Buster

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 02:01 PM

Resurrect Dead: The Mystery of the Toynbee Tiles (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1787791/) is an intriguing and enjoyable documentary and I'm curious what those of you who have seen it and/or are familiar with the Toynbee Tiles make of the following David Mamet connections.

This clip offers a brief summary:


The unavoidable conclusion to be drawn from watching the documentary is that Mamet lied about the origins of his short play Four A.M., and that he did in fact clearly steal the idea, the subject matter and the explicit details from a caller in to a real late night radio show back in 1980 (Mamet's play was written/published several years later).

Why does Mamet deny this?

For those also familiar with Jay Weidner's work on Stanley Kubrick, the bolded section below should be of interest:

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In the original release of 2001 there were many credits thanking NASA and many of the aerospace companies that worked with NASA on the moon landings. These credits have since been removed from all subsequent releases of 2001. But for those of us old enough to remember, in the original credits Kubrick thanks a vast array of military and space corporations for their help in the production.

As these are the same corporations that supposedly helped NASA get the astronauts to the moon – one has to wonder – what kind of help did they gave Stanley? And for what price?

In the film Wag the Dog, Dustin Hoffman plays a movie producer hired by the CIA to “fake an event.” His name in the movie is Stanley. In that movie “Stanley” mysteriously dies after telling everyone that he wants to take credit for the “event” that he helped fake.

Stanley Kubrick died soon after showing Eyes Wide Shut to the executives at Warner Brothers. It is rumored that they were very upset concerning that film. They wanted Kubrick to re-edit the film but he refused. I personally was in France when Stanley died and I saw, on French television, outtakes from the forthcoming Eyes Wide Shut. I saw outtakes from several scenes that were never in the finished film.
Warner Brothers has even come out and admitted that they re-edited the film. To this day they refuse to release a DVD of Stanley Kubrick's cut. Not only is this a direct violation of the agreement that Kubrick had with Warner Brothers, but it also means that we will probably never see the un-edited version of this film.

http://www.realitysa.../kubrick_apollo

Wag the Dog was co-written by David Mamet.

So we have Mamet lying about the origins of a strange idea about ressurecting dead people on Jupiter that he initially promoted to the public via his play 4A.M., this strange idea then surfacing and being related to Stanley Kubrick and 2001: A Space Odyssey via the mysterious Toynbee Tiles, and Mamet writing a screenplay about a filmaker named Stanley hired by the government to 'fake an event'.

Thoughts?

Edited by Golly Buster, 17 August 2012 - 02:08 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 02:12 PM

Man has the potential to resurrect the dead planets like Mars. To put life back to Adam ( red planet ). . .
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 02:23 PM

View PostSunGod, on 17 August 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Man has the potential to resurrect the dead planets like Mars. To put life back to Adam ( red planet ). . .

I'm too lazy right now to elaborate on it more fully, but in a nutshell...

- Jay Weidner suggests that Kubrick was hired by the US Government to fake the Apollo landings. As a reward he was given an unlimited budget to make 2001: A Space Odyssey at the same time.

- Jupiter and resurrection/evolution are prominent themes in 2001.

- A decade later a caller into a late night radio show discusses resurrecting the dead on Jupiter.

- David Mamet plagiarizes the details of this call in his play 4A.M and lies when confronted about it.

- Mysterious tiles later begin showing up on U.S. pavements:

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- Mamet then writes a film in which a director named Stanley is hired by the CIA to fake a major world event.

Edited by Golly Buster, 17 August 2012 - 02:27 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:07 PM

Holy hell..... is there no limit to the silliness.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:16 PM

View PostDBunker, on 17 August 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Holy hell..... is there no limit to the silliness.

I'm guessing you haven't seen Resurrect Dead.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:40 PM

View PostGolly Buster, on 17 August 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

I'm guessing you haven't seen Resurrect Dead.


Is it this one http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1787791/ if so.... 7.0 is a pretty good rating.


As stupid as it sound at first glance..... I might just have to take a look at it. :yes:

Edited by DBunker, 17 August 2012 - 03:42 PM.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:43 PM

View PostDBunker, on 17 August 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

Is it this one http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1787791/ if so.... 7.0 is a pretty good rating.


I might just have to take a look at it. :yes:

You'll like it.

And you'll need to have seen it for this thread to make any sense.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:12 PM

2001: A Space Odyssey was actually meant to be originally set on Saturn (Arthur C. Clarke's original story and novel were set on Saturn) but the decision was made to change it to Jupiter during production.  One story I heard is that because a large part of the budget was blown on the space station, they couldn't create a convincing Saturn because of budget constraints so moved the story to Jupiter which was simpler to recreate on screen.

Edited by Archimedes, 17 August 2012 - 04:14 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:19 PM

I'm not sure how affectionate the U.S. government was to Stanley Kubrick after he made Dr. Strangelove in 1964, although personally I always thought the film was hilarious.  I guess the image of whacked-out generals, demented pilots and Nazi scientists advising the president was just not the one they preferred to convey.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:26 PM

I read the novel as well, and in that one the astronaut is actually reborn as a Star Child, who eventually returns to earth and puts an end to the Cold War, bringing peace to humanity.  He returns in the sequel to Space Odyssey, where HAL is revived and given some treatment for his "issues" and the aliens turn Jupiter into another star with its moons becoming a mini-solar system.  This provides new places for humans to settle--except the one moon that is forbidden.

In any case, all the superpowers learn an important lesson about who is really running the show in the galaxy, and that they are just tenants on earth rather than the landlord.

PS  I realized a long time ago that we were not the real landlords around here.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 17 August 2012 - 04:30 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:30 PM

View PostArchimedes, on 17 August 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

2001: A Space Odyssey was actually meant to be originally set on Saturn (Arthur C. Clarke's original story and novel were set on Saturn) but the decision was made to change it to Jupiter during production.  One story I heard is that because a large part of the budget was blown on the space station, they couldn't create a convincing Saturn because of budget constraints so moved the story to Jupiter which was simpler to recreate on screen.

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 17 August 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

I'm not sure how affectionate the U.S. government was to Stanley Kubrick after he made Dr. Strangelove in 1964, although personally I always thought the film was hilarious.  I guess the image of whacked-out generals, demented pilots and Nazi scientists advising the president was just not the one they preferred to convey.

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 17 August 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

I read the novel as well, and in that one the astronaut is actually reborn as a Star Child, who eventually returns to earth and puts an end to the Cold War, bringing peace to humanity.  He returns in the sequel to Space Odyssey, where HAL is revived and given some treatment for his "issues" and the aliens turn Jupiter into another star with its moons becoming a mini-solar system.  This provides new places for humans to settle--except the one moon that is forbidden.

In any case, all the superpowers learn an important lesson about who is really running the show in the galaxy, and that they are just tenants on earth rather than the landlord.

PS  I realized a long time ago that we were not the real landlords around here.


This is the recently-released second installment of Weidner's Kubrick documentary:



Part 1 is available somewhere online too.

Edited by Golly Buster, 17 August 2012 - 04:31 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:35 PM

I never even get into discussions about whether the moon landings were fake.  Not only do I think they were real, but that a lot more has been going on out there than the public will ever know about.  At this point, I think that quite a few of the "UFOs" flying around in space are ours, and that the military technology is decades ahead of what NASA has, although the public is blissfully unaware of these things.

I agree with Oberth and Von Braun that we have been getting outside "help" with these things, one way or the other.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:41 PM

By the way, Kubrick's classic film Paths of Glory was also banned in France for many years.  He had a great talent for upsetting the status quo and various political, military and religious establishments.  One important lesson in this film is never volunteer, because you will end up on a mission bringing ice cream to the general through a minefield.  LOL


Edited by TheMacGuffin, 17 August 2012 - 04:51 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:42 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 17 August 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

I never even get into discussions about whether the moon landings were fake.  Not only do I think they were real, but that a lot more has been going on out there than the public will ever know about.  At this point, I think that quite a few of the "UFOs" flying around in space are ours, and that the military technology is decades ahead of what NASA has, although the public is blissfully unaware of these things.

I agree with Oberth and Von Braun that we have been getting outside "help" with these things, one way or the other.

I tend to agree.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:17 PM

MEIN FURHER!
I CAN WALK!!!




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