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Would you accept the Mark of the Beast?


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Poll: MOTB Hypothetical Scenario #4 (91 member(s) have cast votes)

If the Antichrist were real would you:

  1. Hide in the woods and survive by hunting white fighting back and resisting until the end? (39 votes [42.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  2. Stay in the city and get persecuted for not accepting the mark? (9 votes [9.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.89%

  3. Accept the mark and become a follower of the Antichrist? (18 votes [19.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.78%

  4. Other? (25 votes [27.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.47%

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#181    Shabd Mystic

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 05:50 AM

Here is a 53-minute audio interview with the Harvard neuroscientist who experienced "death" and now is convinced that everything he once believed was wrong. It's a fascinating listen:




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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:42 PM

View PostShabd Mystic, on 10 October 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

I started a thread on this very topic about an hour ago. I have to say that i am incredibly impressed by your post. The one thing I very rarely ever find on any message board, particularly this one, is an open mind. Most people come here just wanting to spout off their own beliefs. Very few are interested in challenging those beliefs. Thanks so much for posting this! I really appreciate it.

By the way, that thread is here:

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=235545

Also, as I mentioned in that thread, here is a link to a PDF on near-death experiences that blows away what that doctor says. This is much more involved and more widely researched. It starts with an abstract but don't let that influence you because that part isn't written to be engaging. The entire paper though is a GREAT read.

http://spiritualscie...ty.79194349.pdf
So far I have not had time to read or listen to your links...however;  I did have a thought and I will share it 'before' I get into your information.  Then, after I watch and read I will either restate or 'rethink' the entire issue again.  Here is my thought:
We have all had dreams where we just 'knew' without question that we were not dreaming...only to wake up and realize, 'phew, that was a dream'.
Why do we know it was a dream when we wake up?  And, on the other side of the coin;  Why do we know that our OBEs are real?  I think the answer to both questions has to do with the way the 'memory' of the event is processed.  When we awaken our memory imprints begin to fade and we realize that was not reality.  Perhaps in OBEs, the memory of the event is processed in the same way as real life adventures are processed.  So instead of fading like a dream, these 'hallucinations'  are imprinted into our psyche as real events.  Just a thought...I'll be back...

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:10 PM

View Postjoc, on 10 October 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

So far I have not had time to read or listen to your links...however;  I did have a thought and I will share it 'before' I get into your information.  Then, after I watch and read I will either restate or 'rethink' the entire issue again.  Here is my thought:
We have all had dreams where we just 'knew' without question that we were not dreaming...only to wake up and realize, 'phew, that was a dream'.
Why do we know it was a dream when we wake up?

Then why don't we know the near-death experience was a 'dream" when we "wake up?" Why do people who have experienced them come back saying it was "hyper-real" and more real than anything they have ever experienced? Why do they say that what we call life now feels to them like a dream? That life no longer feels "real."

And why do mystics who describe tons more such experiences and much greater "heights" on their travels all say that what we all think of as :life" is nothing but a mere illusion?

Just some things to think about, but nothing can possibly ever answer these questions "intellectually." The human mind is not even capable of explaining so much of what is experienced via the 'inner journey" because there is nothing in life that even compares to most of it. The ONLY way to ever get the answers is not by reading other people's experiences, it's by having them yourself. Until then you will have only questions, no matter how much you might wish to believe what you're told.


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:28 PM

View PostShabd Mystic, on 10 October 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:


Then why don't we know the near-death experience was a 'dream" when we "wake up?" Why do people who have experienced them come back saying it was "hyper-real" and more real than anything they have ever experienced? Why do they say that what we call life now feels to them like a dream? That life no longer feels "real."

And why do mystics who describe tons more such experiences and much greater "heights" on their travels all say that what we all think of as :life" is nothing but a mere illusion?

Just some things to think about, but nothing can possibly ever answer these questions "intellectually." The human mind is not even capable of explaining so much of what is experienced via the 'inner journey" because there is nothing in life that even compares to most of it. The ONLY way to ever get the answers is not by reading other people's experiences, it's by having them yourself. Until then you will have only questions, no matter how much you might wish to believe what you're told.
Well, the good doctor actually addressed that question in the audio link you provided.  He initially hypothesised that perhaps there was what he called...overactivity of excitatory pathways.  I have never heard that term but that is essentially what I was talking about in my previous post.  In dreams the memory fades...in NDEs and OBEs the memory is 'hyper-real' as you said.  Which would lead one to believe that it probably is overactivity of excitatory pathways.  But...and...I have only studied the brain as a layman who has some interest in it...the good doctor is a Neuro Surgeon for crying out loud, so, I feel I must give some credence to his conclusion that overactivity of excitatory pathways was not really a viable explanation.

So, I will continue to think on this.  Thanks for the links and when I have other thoughts I'll let you know...In the meantime, I will just say that you are correct when you say that...

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nothing can possibly ever answer these questions "intellectually." The human mind is not even capable of explaining so much of what is experienced via the 'inner journey" because there is nothing in life that even compares to most of it. The ONLY way to ever get the answers is not by reading other people's experiences, it's by having them yourself.
I can only hope that I never get a chance to have these experiences myself.  But, the intellectual curiosity being what it is will still no doubt seek answers.  If I come up with any...I'll let you know. :)

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:26 AM

View Postjoc, on 10 October 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:


Well, the good doctor actually addressed that question in the audio link you provided.  He initially hypothesised that perhaps there was what he called...overactivity of excitatory pathways.  I have never heard that term but that is essentially what I was talking about in my previous post.  In dreams the memory fades...in NDEs and OBEs the memory is 'hyper-real' as you said.  Which would lead one to believe that it probably is overactivity of excitatory pathways.

But...and...I have only studied the brain as a layman who has some interest in it...the good doctor is a Neuro Surgeon for crying out loud, so, I feel I must give some credence to his conclusion that overactivity of excitatory pathways was not really a viable explanation.


Yes, his exact quote was, "In fact, I never found an anatomic distribution that would support that over-activity of excitatory pathways."



View Postjoc, on 10 October 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:


So, I will continue to think on this.  Thanks for the links and when I have other thoughts I'll let you know...In the meantime, I will just say that you are correct when you say that...

I can only hope that I never get a chance to have these experiences myself.  But, the intellectual curiosity being what it is will still no doubt seek answers.  If I come up with any...I'll let you know. :)

Well, I hope you never get to have any such experiences if they are achieved via "near-death." If you wish to have them via mysticism it only takes meditating to experience it. When you get to the point where your concentration is one-pointed you lose awareness of your body completely. You are not aware of anything at all, in fact. The mind has ceased all thought.

At that point mystics say that your "soul" leaves your body. The body is not harmed but remains in a deep state of rest while "you" in the form of "soul," instead of a physical body, traverse the higher planes of consciousness. Also known as the heavens.

Over time you go to greater and greater realms. And over time all your faults begin to drop off one by one and you become filled with love and compassion like nothing you have ever known. Eventually you reach a state that Buddhists call Nirvana, some other mystic paths refer to it as "God-realization." You are "one with God." You can move mountains if you so desire (but you will be so filled with love and bliss that you'll have no desire to ever do so.)

You are then the equivalent of Jesus or Buddha, or countless other "God men" that made no waves and weren't recorded by history (many were known, though they aren't recognized today as such because religions weren't later formed around their teachings).

I know that sounds absolutely insane, but unlike religions that all promise great things "after death," mysticism promises them before you die. And as that PDF I linked to says (it's in the other thread if I didn't in this thread) mysticism and near-death experiences have A LOT in common. Most importantly that you can experience God, heaven and so much more, and do so well before you die and you find out that everything you believed from religion can only be had if you achieve them while you are living.

Anyway, it sounds nuts and if you think it is then just laugh it off or ignore it. If it sounds interesting there are countless books and other sources out there that have a ton more information. Either way, I have nothing to lose or gain. I get no brownie points either way, lol. I'm just sharing this in the chance that you "might" be interested. If not, no problem at all. I'm just throwing it out in case there is any interest.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:02 PM

I would live in the woods.


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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:42 AM

View PostMorningstar., on 23 October 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

I would live in the woods.
What if they burn the woods down.





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