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How long before robots can think like us?

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:06 PM

Will this summer be remembered as a turning point in the story of man versus machine? On June 23, with little fanfare, a computer program came within a hair’s breadth of passing the Turing test, a kind of parlour game for evaluating machine intelligence devised by mathematician Alan Turing more than 60 years ago.

This wasn’t as dramatic as Skynet becoming self-aware in the Terminator films, or HAL killing off his human crew mates in 2001, A Space Odyssey. But it was still a sign that machines are getting better at the art of talking – something that comes naturally to humans, but has always been a formidable challenge for computers.

Turing proposed the test – he called it “the imitation game” – in a 1950 paper titled “Computing machinery and intelligence”. Back then, computers were very simple machines, and the field known as Artificial Intelligence (AI) was in its infancy. But already scientists and philosophers were wondering where the new technology would lead. In particular, could a machine “think”?

http://www.telegraph...nk-like-us.html

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:18 PM

Anyone who makes a robot that thinks like me should be shot!

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:35 PM

I think the human brain and a computer are fundamentally different in their operation. I'm sure one day a computer that can think will be developed, but it won't be human.

I have a program called "Hal Assistant" that I can talk to, and it replies in its own way, but it's pretty primitive, but kinda fun.

Edited by StarMountainKid, 21 August 2012 - 09:38 PM.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:28 PM

If they're almost there with binary computers, when we fully hit the quantum level, we're screwed.


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:57 PM

But is it possible to create non-biological consciousness and sentience, something that exhibits human characteristics? Being able to choose from trillions of responses - even if it can function independently in society like a person - isn't quite the same. Both robots would still take my job, but a sentient one would have a life we would have to value as much as other people, and serve to better our species. Non-sentient robots being commonplace in society would just get abused and bring out the worst in us.


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:58 PM

View PostTellymon, on 22 August 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

But is it possible to create non-biological consciousness and sentience, something that exhibits human characteristics? Being able to choose from trillions of responses - even if it can function independently in society like a person - isn't quite the same. Both robots would still take my job, but a sentient one would have a life we would have to value as much as other people, and serve to better our species.

The combination of AI and quantum computing could do and will do exactly that.

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Non-sentient robots being commonplace in society would just get abused and bring out the worst in us.

Bring out the worst? Do you mean we could become more lazy?
It could also open a world of possibilities. More time to exercise for example.
The blind who cannot see, being driven by an automatic car. (very near future)


Every new piece of technology brings with it , a bad side.
Paul Virilio even started the idea of a Museum Of Accidents. Where he wanted to point out to ppl the destructive forces that come along with technological advances.
For example the accident that happened with the Challenger. Or the invention of the train, also lead to the indirect invention of derailing.
The invention of ships created the invention of shipwrecks. Etc.
In his view accidents are the price we pay for progress.


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:51 PM

For me this is not getting close to 'true artificial intelligence', this is just tricking somebody into believing they are having a conversation with another person (a 13 year old boy in this case). The more we understand linguistics and human response the easier this test becomes regardless of 'computer' advances. I find it hard to believe true artificial intelligence can be created within a computer, but peoples opinion of what artificial intelligence is quite varied.

Tthe article does throw up some interesting points though.

Edited by Junior Chubb, 22 August 2012 - 11:54 PM.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:39 AM

I'm wondering how much in common a human would have with and intelligent computer that could pass the Turing test? Such a computer would one day find itself conscious with a lot of information in its memory. It would be able to think for itself, but it would have no human experience. All it would know would be book-learning.

If it were programmed with human-like emotions, it would still not have experienced all the emotional experiences a human has during his/her life. This is one reason I think there will always be a fundamental difference between machine intelligence and human intelligence.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:49 AM

Until there's a computer that's actually self-aware, it passing a Turing test (imo) attests more to the intelligence and anticipatory prowess of the programmer than to the intelligence of the computer.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:07 AM

To think like a  human it would need to have a healthy dose of insecurities, paranoia, irrational idiosyncrasies, a touch of obsessive compulsive disorder and finally some sort of addiction... Your choice.  :)

Oh yes, also need wildly fluctuating hormones that take out from joyful to pissed off to crying then happy again, within 5 minutes.

Edited by Lava_Lady, 23 August 2012 - 07:11 AM.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:39 AM

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:12 PM

Go to http://www.infowars....n-operations/   and read the full story regarding humanoid robots to be completed by 2014:
Extracts from the piece:
"The DoD announced Tuesday that “The robotic platforms will be humanoid, consisting of two legs, a torso, two arms with hands, a sensor head and on board computing.”
The robots will operate with “supervised autonomy”, according to DARPA, and will be able to act intelligently by themselves, making their own decisions if and when direct supervision is not possible."
"What we have here are the beginnings of something designed to enable robots to hunt down humans like a pack of dogs. Once the software is perfected we can reasonably anticipate that they will become autonomous and become armed."

We can also expect such systems to be equipped with human detection and tracking devices including sensors which detect human breath and the radio waves associated with a human heart beat. These are technologies already developed.”


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 01:08 PM

Catz, your link doesn't work for me.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:34 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 23 August 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

If it were programmed with human-like emotions, it would still not have experienced all the emotional experiences a human has during his/her life. This is one reason I think there will always be a fundamental difference between machine intelligence and human intelligence.

not necessarily. Memories are stored in the brain. When the time comes that we can transfer already formed memories onto, lets say, a memory card we can then transfer them into a machine.
There is already a chip that can be implanted in a human brain which can store memories. This chip can transfer that information to other chips (in other brains).

Edited by Render, 23 August 2012 - 08:35 PM.


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 10:04 PM

Render said:

There is already a chip that can be implanted in a human brain which can store memories. This chip can transfer that information to other chips (in other brains).

From my little research, scientists have only developed a chip inserted in a rats brain.
http://www.infowars....rols-the-brain/

Maybe you can document what you've stated. I have little doubt that this technology will be developed, either for good or for evil purposes.

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