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[chessnovicer]

monk 56, on 04 September 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

The alignment from Concepcion Chile during coup of 11th September 1973 shows Egyptian Sunrise day marker was used, while Alnilam, Belt of Orion was culminating, graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4256&mode=view

I understand your words, Monk. I am not sure I understand your point. I see no rhyme nor reason, and you seem to be unwilling or unable to present a clear explanation of the relationship between the celestial bodies and human activity. For now, I'll remain silent and observe the direction you take this.

[Reann]

Hi Monk 56

I wanted to say hi and that I've been reading your discussion .Very interesting.

[monk 56]

Hi Reann,

Thank you for your comments!

Hi Chessnovicer,

I see you come from New York, which was a temporary Capital during the time that Washington DC was built, obviously there were other temporary Capital's like Philadelphia.

New York become temporary Capital on 13th September 1788, midnight day marker was chosen, while Alnilam rose in the East, information and link to graph below:-

http://www.newyorkne...om/history.html

http://2012forum.com...=6747&mode=view

Canada's Capital was chosen as Ottawa on 31st December 1857, same applies, midnight day marker chosen while Sirius was in the middle of the sky, information and link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4100&mode=view

I think i haven't explained the nature of this secret religion that did try to take over the Christian religion during the Renaissance.  Siena, Italy has a Cathedral, and we know that without the help of Rome it is probable that the Christian religion wouldn't have lasted, link to Siena below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siena

As you walk into Siena Cathedral you will see a picture embedded into the structure with translated to english the words below:-

"Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus, contemporary of Moses".

During the time that this was placed within the cathedral, this would have been heresy, how these people were not invited to a bonfire party in Rome by the Inquisition i have no idea, however this is the start of the mystery regarding this very secret religion, links below:-

http://en.wikipedia....es_Trismegistus

http://en.wikipedia....a_cathedral.jpg

I will continue soon.

Edited by monk 56, 05 September 2012 - 10:26 AM.

[monk 56]

Hi Chessnovicer,

This religion is usaully attached to secret societies like Rosicrucianism etc etc.   They believe that this religion originated in Egypt, and in Egyptian philosophy Sirius and Alnilam depict Isis Horus and Osiris, so they pick days that these stars are aligned to location, very early on only sunrise and sunset were used to align these stars, but with the invention of the clock and as people started using midnight as the start and end of the day, midnight was added as a day marker, sunrise and sunset shown below:-

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10705808

However Chessnovicer, could you please read links below:-

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12030267

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Hermeticism

http://en.wikipedia....teric_tradition

http://gnosis.org/hermes.htm

http://www.philipcop...rmetic_age.html

I'm sorry Chessnovicer that i'm giving you a lot to read, but you did say you didn't understand the relationship between celestial bodies and human activity, it is all about belief.

I was going to start on the Arab Spring Movement, however i have changed my mind as the First World War is far more interesting in dealing with these concepts.

[monk 56]

In order to understand exactly what went wrong back in the Summer of 1914 we need to look no further than examine the key alliances that happened between 1879 and 1907, ending with the "triple Entente".   In fact these treaties were alliances that major nations signed in fear of each other declaring war, yet made all Europe vulnerable to a terrorist attack, bringing the powerful nations into an involuntary "Dance of Death", and a war that no one wanted, yet were duty bound by the signed agreements.

Saint Vitus Day 1389 and the Battle of Kosovo Poyle, marks the beginning of the Serbian Nation, the spirit of togetherness that saw the Serbian peoples unite against the Turkish invader.  Obviously the day changes if valued by the Julian Calendar or Gregorian method, Saint Vitus Day is 28th June, and there are grounds to speculate that 28th June 1914 may have been chosen as the trigger date of World War One.

http://en.wikipedia....attle_of_Kosovo

Two Bullets fired on a Sarajevo street on a sunny June morning in 1914, set in motion a series of events that shaped the world we live in today!   World War One, World War Two, the Cold War, and our difficulties in the Middle East, all trace their origin to the gunshots that interupted that "Summers Day", 28th June 1914, Saint Vitus Day!

The victims, Archduke Ferdinand, on his wedding anniversary, heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and his wife Sophie were shot by 19 year old Gavrilo Princip who burned with the fire of Slavic nationalism, he envisioned the death of the arch-duke as the key that would unlock the shackles binding his people to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.   He was well picked as most of the conspirators were dying from TB, therefore didn't mind being "Martyrs".....VERY CLEVER MR. DIMITRIJEVIC AND THE BLACK HAND SECRET SOCIETY"

Serbia figured prominently in the plot, providing the guns, ammunition and training that made the assassination possible, they may also seen a symbolic connection to The Battle of Kosovo Poyle, so in theory used that date for the auspicious event in history.

Gavrilo Princip become an unwitting "Pied Piper", as this assassination precipitated the Austro-Hungarian Declaration of War against Serbia and the involuntary dance of death or "Saint Vitus Dance of World War One!

Later i will show research into "THE BLACK HAND SOCIETY!".

[monk 56]

I will go into great detail about the beginning and ending of World War One tomorrow, but today i wish to fully explain the importance of St. Vitus Day to Serbia.

The Feast day is sacred to ethnic Serbs who tranformed the pagan Slavic god Deity of War by Serbian Orthodox Christians, you can see how important Saint Vitus Day is by link below:-

http://www.crkvenika...vidovdan_en.php

Saint Vitus Day is celebrated on 15th June by Julian Calendar, this corresponds to 28th June in Gregorian Calendar that we all now use in the Christian countries.
He is the the saint of dancers and epileptics, which is where we get the ancient name of the neurological disorder of sydenham's chorea, that looks like a strange dance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitus

Many dates in history have been aligned to St. Vitus day, and is called Vidovdan in the Balkan states.   FUNNY ISN'T IT, that the event that triggered W.W.1. happened on 28th June 1914, and the Treaty of Versailles was signed ending W.W.1. on 28th June 1919.....it does look a little intentional, doesn't it?????????
Please read link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidovdan

Edited by monk 56, 05 September 2012 - 02:36 PM.

[Reann]

Monk 56
That's amazing. Everything you're sharing/teaching is amazing. I'm fascinated with all I'm reading and learning here.  I 've been thinking about something you've said before i ever read what you said and without the understanding of it as you have.I don't really know how to say this but   I was thinking that if it were not for the Roman Empire  Christianity would not have existed ,I've shared that with others just recently .And even though the Roman empire had emposed itself on the world and the actions they have done to others were not always  something to be proud of ...though without the strength of such an empire in which Christianity  was protected in  I don't think it would of survived. There is a prediction saying that Christianity would enter a certain government,rulers and  by doing so that it would grow .It was predicted.
It's seems to me that  out of their darkness came light.
May I ask is there really  supernatural influences at hand for certain societies which conduct rituals under certain  planet allignments? I hope my question doesn't seem weird. It's like, I also wonder about people who conduct rituals on full moons,does it really have any influence.

[Reann]

I've got another question pertaining to talks and fears of war and the political presidential election about to take place in the United states. Do you see any possible  planetary alignments suggesting that war will be ineviitable ? Does it matter which of the presidential candidates take office or not ? Seems that a lot is going on in the world and if these societies indeed do exist ,what alignment would such societies look for or wait on  to make war? and why do they do this ? Do you see it happening in the near future?
I'm also told that the United states will not even make a move on wall street without conductiong planetary allignments and yet our economy is not doing so well,or is it for certain individuals?
You inspire me to take my astrology books back out and not give up on what I was once very interested in learning and discovering. It's difficult though to absorb everything  at once, it takes time.

Edited by Reann, 05 September 2012 - 03:23 PM.

[monk 56]

Hi Reann,

It must be noted i'm a researcher, i have never been involved in rituals, it would spook me, dancing around a pentacle with a mask on like below isn't my thing, hell i might start biting postmen ha ha!

http://www.whshop.co..._0058figur.html



But beliefs that start wars and finish wars on the same day is frightening, hell i have only just started!

I'm worried about a strike on Iran at present which i will come to later under a section that will be called Arab Spring Movement.

I will leave you a puzzle till tomorrow, the Grand Master and Black Magician of the Black Hand Secret Society that triggered W.W.1. was Dragutin Dimtrijevic, and if you look down link below to fourth paragraph you will see his codename was APIS,....... find the connection to what apis means and Egyptian hermetic philosophy.

http://www.spartacus....uk/FWWapis.htm

I'll be back tomorrow!

[Reann]

O.K I will look and try to riddle it. You do know I am no where as educated in this area as you though. No where near  all that you are able to see and understand so easily. I will be back tomorrow as well.
Oh and Monk 56,thank you.

[monk 56]

Ok Reann,

I won't leave you with a lot of work, APIS link below:-

http://www.britannic...opic/29660/Apis

It would seem that Black Hand Secret Society was hermetic, wouldn't it?

Tomorrow i will show research into 11th November regarding W.W.1., should be interesting!

[monk 56]

I don't think that the Armistice was held up for more than a few days, but enough for a stupid mystic to get his esoteric numbers to work, it must be noted that thousands of soldiers died in the last few days of W.W.1. The Armistice was laying down of arms and happened on the 11th hour of 11th day of the 11th month 1918, which is very suspicious as 11 is an esoteric master number, if you have those beliefs!

http://en.wikipedia....i/Armistice_Day

http://en.wikipedia....ce_with_Germany

We have a minute silence on Veterans day/Remembrance day to think of all soldiers that died in war, however just like St Vitus day i feel that the day of the Armistice was intentional, and perhaps the war could have ended a few days before, but someone wanted to get 11's being a master number 11:11:11.

We can look further into this, centuries before W.W.1. Saint Martin of Tours feast day is 11th November, HE IS THE PATRON SAINT OF SOLDIERS, how apt, shame about the soldiers who died while this date to end war was waited for....Isn't it??

It wasn't the first time that 11th November had been used in this war, the Muslim Ottoman Empire declared holy war/jihad on mostly Christian soldiers on 11/11/1914, links below:-

http://www.nzhistory...re-declares-war

http://catholicfire....urs-patron.html

America didn't sign the Treaty of Versailles, they made a separate agreement with Germany where ratification and exchange of documents were in Berlin on 11/11/1921, please look to top of page on link below:-

http://en.wikisource...ny_Peace_Treaty

There does seem to be a lot of Harry Potter religious symbolism that was intentionally put into World War One!!!!!  Intentional days intentional symbolism....pretty sick!    Hell i wouldn't have minded the Harry Potter stuff if it had worked, within 20 years we had another World War!

Edited by monk 56, 06 September 2012 - 09:02 AM.

[monk 56]

Research into "Black Hand Society" coming later, i hope to make more comments today but i am busy, i'm leaving more information about the last day of World War One below:-

http://en.wikipedia....f_World_War_One

Or Video below:-

[monk 56]

Hi Chessnovicer,

I left explaining your questions until i had given you a great deal to read about secret hermetic beliefs, so now i will respond to your questions on page four thread section #56.

1) The date of 9/11 isn't important as it is new year, it is important as a day for it is a sacred Thoth day in pagan beliefs, in the Coptic calendar it is the first day of New Year, and in ancient Egyptian myths it was Thoth that created the calendar, so think of this as a special Thoth day......the ancient Egyptian Calendar was based on 12 months of 30 days with five extra days appended at the end of each year to give 365 days in all, the months were given the names of presiding deities, so the year began on the first day of the month of Thoth/thout, which is 11 September now, and sacred to Thoth belief!   Forget about New Year, think of association with Hermetic beliefs!

http://www.thewhiteg..._holy_words.asp

2) You mention the Persian Calendar/Iranian Calendar and Zoroastrian beliefs....i leave you with the deity "Tishtrya" that is linked to SIRIUS, information below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishtrya

There were changes to the Iranian Solar Hijri calendar dated 31st March 1925, strange as calendar is aligned to Vernal Equinox, please scroll down link below to "IN IRAN", first paragraph mentions "The present Iranian Calendar was legally adopted on 31st March 1925" Obviously in Tehran.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Solar_Hijri

It isn't unusual to align a calendar by Babylonian style being sunset of previous day, so i would be looking at sunset of previous day on 30th March 1925, link below to babylonian day:-

http://www.byt-yhwh....ylonianday.html

As Sun set in Tehran on 30th March 1925, Isis,Tishtrya, SIRIUS was culminating in middle of sky, try to find an astronomer who will dispute this, graph on link:-

http://2012forum.com...=6598&mode=view

3) I can explain a lot about China that i will do in due course....i will come back to this topic, so Chessnovicer i had answered most of your questions, i'm in the middle of explaining events in the First World War, so China can wait till later!

Edited by monk 56, 06 September 2012 - 04:00 PM.

[monk 56]

After the assassination of Arch-duke Ferdinand, war was declared a month later, obviously the media newspapers were full of it, so much so that most people didn't take notice of the trial of the conspirators who were suffering from Tuberculosis thus didn't have long to live so didn't have any reason to lie!

There was a accurate transcript of the trial made that astonishingly was never made into a history book till 1982 it is called "THE SARAJEVO TRIAL BY W. A. DOLPH OWENS" The book has long been out of print and is expensive to buy second hand, however it is valued by scholars and historians everywhere as being accurate to the trial, you can see this by link below, please scroll down to "REFERENCES" at bottom of page to see this book mentioned:-

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Latin_Bridge

Edited by monk 56, 07 September 2012 - 04:36 AM.