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[ziczac]

Even though I would look like reinventing the wheel but to quinch your thirst:
- how did non-living things evolved to life?
- how did sun and earth came to life specially that no living cell can exist without those two?
- my favorite one: evolution doesn't operate within a closed system and therefore isn't subject to the law of thermodynamics!

I can't believe you dragged me into this stupid discussion but please either challenge the above or ask me good questions....

[Br Cornelius]

I have now reported this as thread derailment.

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3j. Thread derailment: Do not derail or 'hijack' threads with posts that are either off-topic or designed to draw attention away from what is being discussed.

Br Cornelius

Edited by Br Cornelius, 07 September 2012 - 01:50 PM.

[Karlis]

ziczac, please read the OP (the first post in this thread) and keep in mind that each topic/thread usually has a specific idea to be discussed. Also, please take time to read through all the UM posting rules.

I'm sure if you treat all posters as if they were your companions in one large living room, and post accordingly -- without being patronising or condescending, you most likely will make good friends, and have an enjoyable time here.

Welcome to UM,
Karlis -- UM mod team member

[Mantis914]

I don't think shortages will be the cause of people not eating meat but the prices (even though one does affect the other)!  Have y'all seen the price of just a couple of pounds of ground beef?  Unbelievable!  As the commercial goes:  A pack of beef bologna:  $5    A cryopac brisket   $20   A rack of ribs   $15   A person's face when seeing the cost?   Priceless...

[Abramelin]

ziczac, on 06 September 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

just wanted to answer the question about the usefullness of the apendix and the goose bumps:
- to the first question:
http://www.scienceda...71008102334.htm
- to the chill question:
when you're cold, the body tries to make a thicker layer of trapped air around your body to hold your body heat

Everything happens for a reason! please ask more challenging questions because these are realllly EZ!

From your first link:

Several decades ago, scientists suggested that people in industrialized societies might have such a high rate of appendicitis because of the so-called "hygiene hypothesis," Parker said. This hypothesis posits that people in "hygienic" societies have higher rates of allergy and perhaps autoimmune disease because they -- and hence their immune systems -- have not been as challenged during everyday life by the host of parasites or other disease-causing organisms commonly found in the environment. So when these immune systems are challenged, they can over-react.

"This over-reactive immune system may lead to the inflammation associated with appendicitis and could lead to the obstruction of the intestines that causes acute appendicitis," Parker said. "Thus, our modern health care and sanitation practices may account not only for the lack of a need for an appendix in our society, but also for much of the problems caused by the appendix in our society."

Now look at this map, and see where appendicitis is least frequent:

http://en.wikipedia....Y_-_WHO2004.svg

Don't know, but to me it seems to contradict what Parker said.

And about the goose-bumps:

As we all know from experience, goose bumps have hardly if any effect at all in keeping us warm.

It's nothing but an atavistic (don't know if this is the right word here) respons to cold:  when we still had fur, our hair would stand up, and thus keep warmth trapped inside the fur, and isolate us from the cold.

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Edited by Abramelin, 07 September 2012 - 02:55 PM.

[Myles]

Meat prices will go up, but we'll always have meat to eat.  At least I will.

Maybe someday I'll try eating the raccoons I shoot.    I shoot them because they attack my chickens.

[questionmark]

Myles, on 07 September 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Meat prices will go up, but we'll always have meat to eat.  At least I will.

Maybe someday I'll try eating the raccoons I shoot. I shoot them because they attack my chickens.

Evidently they are edible

[Hippycrite]

Abramelin, on 31 August 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

Nah, we are omnivores: we eat what you said, plus meat and/or carrion. If we were designed to eat plant/herb material only, our appendix would at least be a 100 times longer, and we would have bellies like a gorilla or a horse/cow, just because of the amount of gut needed to digest the food.

Plus the fact that we have eaten cooked and fried food for many millennia has changed our body. If we had continued eating everything raw, we would still have jaws like those of a Neanderthal or worse, like a gorilla's, with huge molars.

And cooking and frying is 'processing'.

Try to eat uncooked potatoes, and you will soon be sorry you tried.

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I'm 55 years old and I've been eating raw potatoes all my life- so when does the "sorry" kick in?

[Abramelin]

Hippycrite, on 07 September 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

I'm 55 years old and I've been eating raw potatoes all my life- so when does the "sorry" kick in?

As soon as you eat one raw that has been exposed to light too long: it forms extra solanine (you can see part of it's peel turn purple where it forms solanine). One that has been laying in storage too long also forms purple sprouts, it actually starts to grow a plant. Eat tose sprouts raw too, and... you will feel sick.

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Edited by Abramelin, 08 September 2012 - 02:53 AM.

[Myles]

I cannot fathom how raw potatoes would taste good.
To each his own I guess.

[Hippycrite]

Abramelin, on 08 September 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

As soon as you eat one raw that has been exposed to light too long: it forms extra solanine (you can see part of it's peel turn purple where it forms solanine). One that has been laying in storage too long also forms purple sprouts, it actually starts to grow a plant. Eat tose sprouts raw too, and... you will feel sick.

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Thanks for the info- I'll try to avoid those. I'd heard that sun exposure turns them green just below the skin, and that eating it (the green part) could be toxic enough to cause stomach distress. But if the green is peeled away, the potato is safe to consume.

Edited by Hippycrite, 08 September 2012 - 11:56 AM.

[Abramelin]

Myles, on 08 September 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

I cannot fathom how raw potatoes would taste good.
To each his own I guess.

That is true: long ago, while slicing up champignon mushrooms to later cook or fry them, I used to eat some of them raw while cutting.

I quited that habbit because it appears not to be that good for your liver.

[Abramelin]

Hippycrite, on 08 September 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

Thanks for the info- I'll try to avoid those. I'd heard that sun exposure turns them green just below the skin, and that eating it (the green part) could be toxic enough to cause stomach distress. But if the green is peeled away, the potato is safe to consume.

Yes, you are right:  parts of the peel turn green, not purple, and the sprouts turn purple. Both contain solanine.

[Hippycrite]

Myles, on 08 September 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

I cannot fathom how raw potatoes would taste good.
To each his own I guess.

Just to clear up-raw, meaning uncooked. I do "process" them, though, by washing, peeling, and slicing, and I sprinkle on some salt and black pepper. My mom used to hand me these while she was preparing dinner (probably to keep me from asking so many questions), so it's a childhood thing, I suppose.

[FurthurBB]

ziczac, on 07 September 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

@ questionmark _ first of all when accuse someone of being ignorant without being able to provide a viable explanation to your "Theory", you need to learn the ethics of speech. An ignorant person would reply back to you using the same tone but since most of Darwin followers who do so blindly, always defend themselves with anger, I am the more confinent it is because they are clueless and that's their only way.
your theory is still a theory... even evolution still has questionmarks about it in case you "read". you asked two scientific questions which I replied to and proposed a theory which indicates that human were designed to walk on four, theories will always be theories. I can talk to you for hours on Marx's A doesn't equal A and no mathematician can prove it to be wrong or right.

so stick to scientific questions or else don't lose your temper!

Why do you have to respond with such anger and act demeaning?  That makes me think that you are actually talking about yourself in the first paragraph and are not really confident.
A scientific theory is the best explaination for an observable phenomenon.  In this case the observable phenomenon is evolution and evolutionary theory is the best explaination.  Marx's theories are not scientific theories so when you relate the two, it just shows your ignorance of the subject.

Edited by FurthurBB, 09 September 2012 - 03:52 PM.