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#1    Batfastard

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:12 AM

Now before I start I am in no way a 'Creationist', but neither do I hold the belief that we evolved from primates.

The evolution theory is now being taught in most schools as accepted fact, and that to me is a tad worrying - where is the evidence?

DNA evidence I hear people shout, now the way I see it Scientists who believe in evolution manipulate the data to support evolution, when in reality, DNA data support the obvious and distinctive categorization of life that is commonly observed in the fossil record and in existing life forms. There is, in fact, a clear demarcation between each created kind (humans, chimps, mice, chickens, dogs, etc.), and there is no blending together or observed transition from one kind of animal to another. All created kinds exhibit a certain amount of genetic variability within their grouping while still maintaining specific genetic boundaries. In other words, one kind does not change into another, either in the fossil record or in observations of living organisms.

Another thing is that surely for the human species to evolve from a primate then this process must have taken millions of years, and there would be varying degrees of intertwining between the species over this long period of time, but as yet scientists cannot show one set of fossilised remains showing this primate/human crossover species, a species that must have lived and evolved over many millions of years.

If we evolved from primates in a single, linear progression, as is claimed by evolutionists the world over, why is it that it would appear that there were a minimum of FOUR seperate hominids all co-existing in Africa approximately 2 million years ago?

Now I am not saying I know what the alternative theory is, but I am just uncomfortable with my children being taught something as fact, when it appears that this is nothing more than guesswork.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:20 AM

Why did you post this in this section? If your objection to evolutionary theory is based on evidence alone (you didn't mention religion) then why not put it in the science section?


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:22 AM

View PostBatfastard, on 30 August 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Now before I start I am in no way a 'Creationist', but neither do I hold the belief that we evolved from primates.

The evolution theory is now being taught in most schools as accepted fact, and that to me is a tad worrying - where is the evidence?

DNA evidence I hear people shout, now the way I see it Scientists who believe in evolution manipulate the data to support evolution, when in reality, DNA data support the obvious and distinctive categorization of life that is commonly observed in the fossil record and in existing life forms. There is, in fact, a clear demarcation between each created kind (humans, chimps, mice, chickens, dogs, etc.), and there is no blending together or observed transition from one kind of animal to another. All created kinds exhibit a certain amount of genetic variability within their grouping while still maintaining specific genetic boundaries. In other words, one kind does not change into another, either in the fossil record or in observations of living organisms.

Another thing is that surely for the human species to evolve from a primate then this process must have taken millions of years, and there would be varying degrees of intertwining between the species over this long period of time, but as yet scientists cannot show one set of fossilised remains showing this primate/human crossover species, a species that must have lived and evolved over many millions of years.

If we evolved from primates in a single, linear progression, as is claimed by evolutionists the world over, why is it that it would appear that there were a minimum of FOUR seperate hominids all co-existing in Africa approximately 2 million years ago?

Now I am not saying I know what the alternative theory is, but I am just uncomfortable with my children being taught something as fact, when it appears that this is nothing more than guesswork.
It's being taught as fact because it is one.
There are hundreds of studies that make it more than just guesswork.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:35 AM

View PostBatfastard, on 30 August 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Now before I start I am in no way a 'Creationist', but neither do I hold the belief that we evolved from primates.

The evolution theory is now being taught in most schools as accepted fact, and that to me is a tad worrying - where is the evidence?

DNA evidence I hear people shout, now the way I see it Scientists who believe in evolution manipulate the data to support evolution, when in reality, DNA data support the obvious and distinctive categorization of life that is commonly observed in the fossil record and in existing life forms. There is, in fact, a clear demarcation between each created kind (humans, chimps, mice, chickens, dogs, etc.), and there is no blending together or observed transition from one kind of animal to another. All created kinds exhibit a certain amount of genetic variability within their grouping while still maintaining specific genetic boundaries. In other words, one kind does not change into another, either in the fossil record or in observations of living organisms.

Another thing is that surely for the human species to evolve from a primate then this process must have taken millions of years, and there would be varying degrees of intertwining between the species over this long period of time, but as yet scientists cannot show one set of fossilised remains showing this primate/human crossover species, a species that must have lived and evolved over many millions of years.

If we evolved from primates in a single, linear progression, as is claimed by evolutionists the world over, why is it that it would appear that there were a minimum of FOUR seperate hominids all co-existing in Africa approximately 2 million years ago?

Now I am not saying I know what the alternative theory is, but I am just uncomfortable with my children being taught something as fact, when it appears that this is nothing more than guesswork.

Clearly you need to go back and relearn evolution, because NOTHING you've said above is correct.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:39 AM

View PostThe Mule, on 30 August 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

Clearly you need to go back and relearn evolution, because NOTHING you've said above is correct.


Feel free to elaborate


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:43 AM

View PostBatfastard, on 30 August 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Another thing is that surely for the human species to evolve from a primate then this process must have taken millions of years, and there would be varying degrees of intertwining between the species over this long period of time, but as yet scientists cannot show one set of fossilised remains showing this primate/human crossover species, a species that must have lived and evolved over many millions of years.

Fossilization is a rare occurance.  Not everything that has lived has been fossilized because it takes very specific circumstances at point of death for that to happen.   The "missing links" could have fossilized, but more likely they died and decayed.  The vast majority of life that has existed on earth as decayed back to basic elements with no evidence left behind.

Also, we haven't dug up every inch of the earth's surface.  We have cities, roads, lakes, massive parking lots and shopping complexes that have been in place for anywhere from 10 to 50 years.  What could be below metropolitan areas?

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If we evolved from primates in a single, linear progression, as is claimed by evolutionists the world over, why is it that it would appear that there were a minimum of FOUR seperate hominids all co-existing in Africa approximately 2 million years ago?

When you say it is claimed by "evolutionists" are you talking about the average Joe who talks about evolution or the scientists who study it?  If you're talking about the scientists then you've not understood what they have said.  From a scientific standpoint it makes more sense that there were multiple "types" of hominids because different groups of apes would have evolved differently, and could have done so concurrently.

The end result would have been a combination of the less adaptable strains dying out and the more adaptable suriving and likely intermingling to ultimately become us.  And there is quite a lot of variety in us, still today.

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Now I am not saying I know what the alternative theory is, but I am just uncomfortable with my children being taught something as fact, when it appears that this is nothing more than guesswork.

Perhaps if it is taught in schools, the next generation will be better informed and able to discern the difference between the unconfirmed theories about evolution and the processes which have been observed and confirmed.  Lack of knowledge about this is the number one reason people "don't believe" in evolution.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:44 AM

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Why bother...first off...we ARE primates, second - you've been given DNA evidence, yet you refuse to believe it.

We did not evolve in a single, linear line (where did you EVER hear that?)...the tree has many branches.

And lastly..there IS no "missing link". There lots of links....nobody's ever gonna find a fossil labeled "MISSING LINK"...there are pleny of what you call "crossover" species. You're looking for one to fill the gap between ape and man. Doesnt work that way. WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APES. Common ancestor. Go back to school.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:57 AM

View PostThe Mule, on 30 August 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

Why bother...first off...we ARE primates, second - you've been given DNA evidence, yet you refuse to believe it.

We did not evolve in a single, linear line (where did you EVER hear that?)...the tree has many branches.

And lastly..there IS no "missing link". There lots of links....nobody's ever gonna find a fossil labeled "MISSING LINK"...there are pleny of what you call "crossover" species. You're looking for one to fill the gap between ape and man. Doesnt work that way. WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APES. Common ancestor. Go back to school.

DNA evidence also links us to mice, chickens, pigs dogs and even a banana.

With regards to your 'pleny' (sic) of crossover species - care to name them or would that detract from your condescending reply?


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:02 AM

View PostBatfastard, on 30 August 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

DNA evidence also links us to mice, chickens, pigs dogs and even a banana.

With regards to your 'pleny' (sic) of crossover species - care to name them or would that detract from your condescending reply?

We ARE linked to mice chicken pigs dogs banana...thats the whole POINT

start here:
http://humanorigins....human-evolution

Off to work for me, but dont worry. There will be others who make the point better than I.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:18 AM

There's no bloody thing as a transition species! All species are in transition and slowly drifting from their current state of being. It's like the Earth slowly rotating, we know it rotates but you can't feel the darn thing or else we'd all be vomiting more then after all those vodka martini's I had.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:18 AM

Batfastard, I think you are just disagreeing to disagree. I can only hope your kids are smarter and will see the fallacy.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:38 AM

LOL, I think it's about time you get this peer reviewed! You're going to get a nobel prize for out-smarting all of those scientists.. all of that research.. ahhh..

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:59 AM

View PostBatfastard, on 30 August 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

DNA evidence also links us to mice, chickens, pigs dogs and even a banana.

With regards to your 'pleny' (sic) of crossover species - care to name them or would that detract from your condescending reply?

If you are referring to transitional fossils, here is a tenative list

http://en.wikipedia....itional_fossils

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:15 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 30 August 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Batfastard, I think you are just disagreeing to disagree. I can only hope your kids are smarter and will see the fallacy.
Unfortunately kids learn most from their parents. Whatever this person does believe will no doubt be passed down.

Then in a few years they will start their own anti-evolution thread. ;)

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:17 PM

Very simply, the theory of evolution makes much more sense than any other theory as to how the Earth has such varied species. It is obvious that species rise and fall, without evolution there would be a set number of species on Earth, which would have been wiped out during previous extinction events.





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