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#16    Jackofalltrades

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 02:59 PM

Even though I personally do not believe in the cross (or any idol for that matter) I believe that any person (no matter what religion) should have the right to wear any jewellery

or religious item they choose

As long as the person does their job to the best of their capabilities and satisfactorily and it is not for safety reasons, then I do not see the problem

Also why is it that people seem to think they can dictate what a person does or does not wear when it does not affect them, that boggles my mind

Most people that try to dictate things like that are nothing more than Hypocrites, because if the shoe was on the other foot they themselves

would be complaining about being told what they can or cannot wear

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 03:17 PM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 04 September 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Even though I personally do not believe in the cross (or any idol for that matter) I believe that any person (no matter what religion) should have the right to wear any jewellery

or religious item they choose

As long as the person does their job to the best of their capabilities and satisfactorily and it is not for safety reasons, then I do not see the problem

Also why is it that people seem to think they can dictate what a person does or does not wear when it does not affect them, that boggles my mind

Most people that try to dictate things like that are nothing more than Hypocrites, because if the shoe was on the other foot they themselves

would be complaining about being told what they can or cannot wear

People have the right (for the most part) to wear whatever they want in public, but today's companies are very conscious of everything their employees do at work or in their private lives. People are fired for Facebook or Twitter posts, or comments made in public that the company deems as below their standards. Some companies don't want the public to equate their business as Christian. I personally don't see any problem with a small cross around their necks, but some people like wearing crosses that are six inches long or bigger. That to me is really making a statement......one that an employer may not want to be seen as a reflection of their company.....

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 03:23 PM

What if someone is wearing a swastika or confederate flag?  Are they ok? If crosses are ok would an upside down one be ok?  Where do you draw the line?

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 03:34 PM

View PostEuphorbia, on 04 September 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

People have the right (for the most part) to wear whatever they want in public, but today's companies are very conscious of everything their employees do at work or in their private lives. People are fired for Facebook or Twitter posts, or comments made in public that the company deems as below their standards. Some companies don't want the public to equate their business as Christian. I personally don't see any problem with a small cross around their necks, but some people like wearing crosses that are six inches long or bigger. That to me is really making a statement......one that an employer may not want to be seen as a reflection of their company.....


I agree with and understand what You are saying

However, if I was the owner/ceo of a company I would rather be seen as a true equal opportunity employer

rather than a company that persecutes its employees for wearing a symbol/idol or for their religion or other belief's

Being like that would be better for business, and possibly get more customers who would choose

Your company over some other company that does seem to persecute over such things


View PostDarkwind, on 04 September 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

What if someone is wearing a swastika or confederate flag?  Are they ok? If crosses are ok would an upside down one be ok?  Where do you draw the line?

I believe in "Live and let Live", as long as the people was NOT pushing their religion or belief's onto other people then I do not see any problem

If You treat everyone EQUAL and RESPECT every one for who they are and not what You think they should be and

they in return do the same,then there is no line that need's to be drawn

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 10:45 PM

Personally I think jobs are too uptight they need to relax and let people dress how they want provided their not in their PJs


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Posted 06 September 2012 - 11:20 AM

View PostStill Waters, on 04 September 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Christians should leave their religious beliefs at home or accept that a personal expression of faith at work, such as wearing a cross, means they might have to resign and get another job, government lawyers have said.

Landmark cases, brought by four British Christians, including two workers forced out of their jobs after visibly wearing crosses, have been heard today at the European Court of Human Rights

David Cameron, the Prime Minister, has previously pledged to change the law to protect religious expression at work but official legal submissions on Tuesday to Strasbourg human rights judges made a clear “difference between the professional and private sphere”.

http://www.telegraph...nother-job.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19472438

Not sure how this will turn out but it is a fight worth fighting. Of course people can't,  and shouldnt, leave their core beliefs behind them, (any more than anyone can leave their ethics moralities and conscience behind), when one enters the world of work.

No employer govt or private has a right to expect or compel  a nother persons beliefs and principles  to match thos eof themselves or their company.

  While some realism and compromise must be achieved, a pesons right to belief and expression of belief is more important than many other factors. In australia one is protected by strong state and federal laws, against dismissal or discrimination because of ones religious beliefs (or practices) That is ANY religious beliefs; from wiccan /pagan through christian muslim or jew to any other . Where dress or jewellery is part of a genuine and sincere belief system, people are protected  by law in their right to wear such dress or jewellery at work (or in govt schools as students ) That is what it means to be a true MULTI cultural society.

Today I read another news report about a spiritual person who was tied up and forced to watch strip shows at office functions.  He objected on moral grounds but was compelled on the bosses order, as part of company "bonding "

He, I think, has won his case The company claims that they would no longer support this sort of bonding exercise or treatment of an employee.

found a reference


SAO PAULO (AP) - Latin America's biggest beverage company Ambev must pay $25,000 to a worker who was forced to attend prostitute parties as part of a manager's incentive program, Brazil's top labor court ruled.
Anheuser Busch InBev's Brazilian unit AmBev must pay because of the embarrassment and bullying the employee suffered, the court stated in a release on its website.
The statement says incidents with prostitutes happened at least 10 times in 2003 and 2004.
The court's Monday statement says the worker at one point was tied up at work and forced to watch pornographic films and a stripper performed in his office. The statement described the worker as a married evangelical Christian.

http://www.klfy.com/...stitute-parties


I dont attend work staff functions, and some senior student functions, because they involve alcohol, which I see as a contributor to many of society's ills. I dont judge others for drinking, but i havent touched alcohol or any other form of drug for forty years. If an employer sought to coerce me to do so, "to be part of the team", I would take them to court and, in australia, win. So no one tries.

Edited by Mr Walker, 06 September 2012 - 11:33 AM.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:27 PM

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What if someone is wearing a swastika or confederate flag?  Are they ok? If crosses are ok would an upside down one be ok?  *Where do you draw the line?
i enjoy a good laugh as much as the next gerontopheliac.. but didn't quite get this?

..if i may? whoooooooooaaaaaah! contarky.. whoah oh oh oh. your love has given me wings. i got the wings off a dove.. i got... i got.. i got the wings from kentucky frieddddddd!!!!!
swastika = nazi = skinhead = eww! spew. killed jews too.
confederate flag = rebellion = the south = fail.
cross = jesus = salvation = paradise.

call me a chrysalid, but i know which one of those three choices i'm taking as my first pick.

if i remember right, from a page back, were you the one suggesting a crucifix (the right way up) was offensive? or could be offensive?
what do you think turning it upside down entails? snails. fails. ima hump some whales.

man: [to his girlfriend] "hey, wanna try it the other way around this time?"
girlfriend: *slap*

[i might have just [i]crossed[/i] a line?] wahaha such delicious puns, buns, living in slums

i don't know, maybe it wasn't you who said that.. maybe i should just tab back a page and confirm this.. but i'm a lazy lazy man..

*yah for sure from sveden, here's the rub.. if you yourself are UNSURE of these things... it.. just...might...be...that... something.. like...*cough* jesus *cough* ..is..exactly..what..you're..looking...for..?????

don't be scared to 'like' jesus because you think your friends will throw prostitutes on you :w00t: [lol?]
"the one who is ashamed of me, is not worthy of me" - JC

many, many fine upstanding UM members seem to subscribe to him already...
eg: jackofalltrades

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If You treat everyone EQUAL and RESPECT every one for who they are and not what You think they should be and
they in return do the same,then there is no line that need's to be drawn
..that's more or less your 'do unto others' jive right there. share. care. fair.

ok well this is no longer amusing ..and starting to lean on the preachy side. i'm out. just think about it. tit. ****. i'm out of wit. onto the next skit in a little bit.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:35 PM

I wonder if perhaps someday it will get to the point where atheists will have to leave their dis-belief at home...

After all... fair is fair...


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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:47 PM

Speaking as an american, and believing very much in the separation of church and state, this measure seems extreme and improper.

They should certainly be able to wear religious jewelry to work, even if they work for the government.






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