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[TheMacGuffin]

They used primary radar at Elmdorf Air Force base to detect the UFOs, which of course did not have transponders.


"Primary radar, which is the standard echo-based radar, is the only way of detecting a distant aircraft that has no transponder. It  is what one would expect to use to detect "non-cooperative" objects which don't have transponder, such as UFOs!.  A transponder is a transmitter on an airplane which sends out a coded signal in response to a radar pulse from the ground station.  All commercial planes carry transponders as the main means of detection by the ground controllers.   The transponder can carry more information than just the echo, such as the plane designation and its altitude.   In this case the JAL1628 carried a transponder. Therefore the radar operator would expect to see two adjacent blips each time the radar beam, in its continuous rotatory sweep mode, would sweep past the airplane.  Any primary return without a transponder return would be evidence of a radar reflective object without a transponder. The difference between primary radar and transponder signals played a roll in the FAA "explanation".

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 11 September 2012 - 08:49 PM.

[bmk1245]

TheMacGuffin, on 11 September 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

None of your dumb face palms this time.  Tell then the truth about what really happened.  Don't tell them about me, but what was actually reported in this UFO sighting--actually three different UFOs.

Tell the truth about it for once.

Two similar, and one "mothership". So?

Goddamit, copy/paste from radar printouts the lines corresponding to  "... return in JL1628's10 o'clock position at 8 miles."

[TheMacGuffin]

bmk1245, on 11 September 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Two similar, and one "mothership". So?

Goddamit, copy/paste from radar printouts the lines corresponding to  "... return in JL1628's10 o'clock position at 8 miles."

You see, whenever I try to answer this guy's questions, he simply refuses to listen.  He only wants to hear what he wants to hear, not any of the other important details of this UFO case.

[TheMacGuffin]

Tell them, BMK, what does it mean when both the military and civilian radars on the ground picked up these UFOs that were "unknown" to them?

What does it mean?

[TheMacGuffin]

Does it mean that maybe Jupiter was flying around up there? Or Venus?  LOL

Too bad the captain couldn't get his camera to work, or we'd have had pictures of these UFOs as well.

[bmk1245]

TheMacGuffin, on 11 September 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

You see, whenever I try to answer this guy's questions, he simply refuses to listen.  He only wants to hear what he wants to hear, not any of the other important details of this UFO case.

No, you did not answered, you just performed yet another tap dancing routine.

Again, copy/paste from radar printouts the lines corresponding to "... return in JL1628's10 o'clock position at 8 miles."
Time, range, azimuth, you know, numbers, like
2:26:17.256     73.87    31
2:26:59.654     72.59    32
etc

TheMacGuffin, on 11 September 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

Tell them, BMK, what does it mean when both the military and civilian radars on the ground picked up these UFOs that were "unknown" to them?

What does it mean?

So, again, bring time, range, azimuth from any of them.

[bmk1245]

Yup... Much expected. Ask believer (especially those "in the know") for hard data, and you'll hear either irrelevant word salad, either eerie silence.

[TheMacGuffin]

bmk1245, on 13 September 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Yup... Much expected. Ask believer (especially those "in the know") for hard data, and you'll hear either irrelevant word salad, either eerie silence.

Since you routinely ignore everything I do post, I see no reason to keep playing your game.

[bmk1245]

TheMacGuffin, on 13 September 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

Since you routinely ignore everything I do post, I see no reason to keep playing your game.

What a cop out

Dude, what you posted was seen and was beaten to death before your appearance on UM.

Let me guess, you think you are the first posted those docs?

So, again:  bring time, range, azimuth (ACP) from any of ground radars, which would show "... return in JL1628's10 o'clock position at 8 miles."

[badeskov]

bmk1245, on 13 September 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

What a cop out

Dude, what you posted was seen and was beaten to death before your appearance on UM.

Let me guess, you think you are the first posted those docs?

So, again:  bring time, range, azimuth (ACP) from any of ground radars, which would show "... return in JL1628's10 o'clock position at 8 miles."

Don't hold your breath, bmk. He neither can nor will. He routinely avoids such inconvenient nuisances as facts and substantiations. They tend to get in the way of his belief.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[TheMacGuffin]

badeskov, on 13 September 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Don't hold your breath, bmk. He neither can nor will. He routinely avoids such inconvenient nuisances as facts and substantiations. They tend to get in the way of his belief.

See what I mean?  There really is no way to have a discussion with people like this, and that's not their purpose here in any case.

[bmk1245]

badeskov, on 13 September 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Don't hold your breath, bmk. He neither can nor will. He routinely avoids such inconvenient nuisances as facts and substantiations. They tend to get in the way of his belief.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Yeap, apparently you are absolutely right.

[Occams Razor]

TheMacGuffin, on 07 September 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Is someone constructed this thing, that doesn't leave too many possibilities, does it?  It's either one of ours, something very advanced, or someone else built it.

Or, most likely, it's just a rock.

[Occams Razor]

TheMacGuffin, on 09 September 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

It's not just me who claims that not only are ETs here, but that we have also recovered and used some of their technology.  Ben Rich said that.

So did Prof. John R. Searl, who died in 2005.

http://searlsolution.com/


So did Dr. Jean-Pierre Petit, who heard from american scientists that such alien technology had been recovered, and that it has led to scientific advances here on earth, like Petit's MHD propulsion technology.

http://www.google.co...ZarKWfZL0gQNAjg


All of these ideas of plasma and anti-gravity technology that have been associated with UFOs since at least the 1950s are hardly mere science fiction, and this leads me to believe that we are indeed flying around far more advanced craft ourselves than the public knows about.

This information does leak out from time to time, despite almost fanatical efforts to suppress it.

This is a good example of the twaddle that abounds in the UFO world. 'Prof' John Searle was at best a technician, at worst a wireman.

Where did he hold a chair McG? In what subject did he obtain his 'professorship'.

[badeskov]

TheMacGuffin, on 13 September 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

See what I mean?  There really is no way to have a discussion with people like this, and that's not their purpose here in any case.

Please repeat in front of the mirror.

It is posters like you it is impossible to have a discussion with, as when you are asked to substantiate one of your embellishments you dodge, you tap dance and basically ask other to do your work for you well knowing that said substantiation is not possible. It is a technique used by many here, perfected by few and truly mastered by none. Nobody has ever succeeded and for good reasons.

Cheers,
Badeskov