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#226    Harsh86_Patel

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:39 AM

A Geographical Pole Shift; also known as a Geophysical Pole Shift. This is the process wherein the North Pole changes positions somewhere between 0 degrees to 180 degrees with the South Pole. In a total positional change, the globe literally flips over, such that the two poles change positions. There is much evidence this has occured numerous times in the past. This would be a Slate Wiper! Continents would sweep over continents. Some continents would fall to the sea floor. Mountains would be hurled into the oceans; and, in some cases, be hurled into other mountains. The geography would change quickly. Ocean basins would sweep over continents wiping out all living things. There would be felt an instant tingling and then burning of the skin as humans would undergo flash freezing. At the same time cold areas would become tropic areas and vice versa.

Winds would reach 300 or more miles per hour, knocking down anything in their way. Giant tsunamis 3 and 4 miles high would sweep across most of the world, bringing enormous energy and pressure against whatever they strike. This would erase small countries and islands forever, leaving no trace of what was there for later history. But still, life has always survived to generate great civilizations.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:42 AM

Not to be confused with a magnetic pole shift.But we do not know much about effects of magnetic pole shifts either to conclusively say that they would not effect the sedimentary layers or their relative positions.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:48 AM

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A Geographical Pole Shift; also known as a Geophysical Pole Shift. This is the process wherein the North Pole changes positions somewhere between 0 degrees to 180 degrees with the South Pole. In a total positional change, the globe literally flips over, such that the two poles change positions. There is much evidence this has occured numerous times in the past. This would be a Slate Wiper! Continents would sweep over continents. Some continents would fall to the sea floor. Mountains would be hurled into the oceans; and, in some cases, be hurled into other mountains. The geography would change quickly. Ocean basins would sweep over continents wiping out all living things. There would be felt an instant tingling and then burning of the skin as humans would undergo flash freezing. At the same time cold areas would become tropic areas and vice versa.

Winds would reach 300 or more miles per hour, knocking down anything in their way. Giant tsunamis 3 and 4 miles high would sweep across most of the world, bringing enormous energy and pressure against whatever they strike. This would erase small countries and islands forever, leaving no trace of what was there for later history. But still, life has always survived to generate great civilizations.

OK, what part of the pole don't you get? The pole is either the arbitrary location where we think the coordinate system starts or it is the location where the magnetic field originates. The first can shift as many times as you want to create a new coordinate system without affecting any sedimentary layers and the second is constantly shifting without affecting any sedimentary layers.

And even if earth flipped upside down instead of turning to the west the sedimentary layers would have been unaffected as gravity would only cease to exist if earth stopped. And it is very unlikely that the earth ever turns more than a few degrees North or South because there is the gravity of the moon stabilizing it.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:54 AM

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Not to be confused with a magnetic pole shift.But we do not know much about effects of magnetic pole shifts either to conclusively say that they would not effect the sedimentary layers or their relative positions.
Except that evidence points to a magnetic pole shift around 788000 years ago in which we can study the sedimentary layers and have found no anomalies. Not much else to say really.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:08 AM

View Postquestionmark, on 27 September 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

OK, what part of the pole don't you get? The pole is either the arbitrary location where we think the coordinate system starts or it is the location where the magnetic field originates. The first can shift as many times as you want to create a new coordinate system without affecting any sedimentary layers and the second is constantly shifting without affecting any sedimentary layers.

And even if earth flipped upside down instead of turning to the west the sedimentary layers would have been unaffected as gravity would only cease to exist if earth stopped. And it is very unlikely that the earth ever turns more than a few degrees North or South because there is the gravity of the moon stabilizing it.
Gravity would not cease to exist if the Earth stopped.
I am talking about a rapid event obviously and not a gradual one.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:23 AM

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Gravity would not cease to exist if the Earth stopped.
I am talking about a rapid event obviously and not a gradual one.

Ok, so let me rephrase that: gravitation would decrease to levels of Mars if the earth stopped. Meaning that you could not find anything on it anymore, much like on Mars.

And a sudden shift would mean that the moon gets moved out of its orbit and most likely, by the centrifugal powers created, thrown somewhere into outer space. Last I looked it was still there stabilizing the Earth's axis so it cannot turn but a few degrees north or south.

Of all you imaginative alternative this is the most risible one so far.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:40 AM

View Postquestionmark, on 27 September 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

Ok, so let me rephrase that: gravitation would decrease to levels of Mars if the earth stopped. Meaning that you could not find anything on it anymore, much like on Mars.

And a sudden shift would mean that the moon gets moved out of its orbit and most likely, by the centrifugal powers created, thrown somewhere into outer space. Last I looked it was still there stabilizing the Earth's axis so it cannot turn but a few degrees north or south.

Of all you imaginative alternative this is the most risible one so far.
There would be no effect on the gravity of the Earth if it stopped.
Since you mentioned the moon,it's orbit and size has often astounded astronomers.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:42 AM

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There would be no effect on the gravity of the Earth if it stopped.
Since you mentioned the moon,it's orbit and size has often astounded astronomers.

Hey, would you quit throwing smoke screens? Or are you just interested in preaching?

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:21 AM

View Postquestionmark, on 27 September 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Hey, would you quit throwing smoke screens? Or are you just interested in preaching?
Okay let me be more specific,we do not know that the moon and it's orbit as you observe it today have always been stagnant and there is no way to tell.And if a geographical pole shift has happened on Earth it would definitely have an effect on the moon and it's revolution arount the Earth,maybe the orbit of the moon has been altered or can be altered by a major event.No point in taking the moon as a reference in this speculation.Your concept of centrifugal 'power' is very interesting.The Earth doesn't need to stop for a geographical pole shift to have happened and even if the Earth stopped it's rotation the gravitational force of the Earth wouldn't be impacted so the moon wouldn't go flying off.Gravity is independant of Earth's rotation,and that is the answer to your query hence i was streesing on it,was not trying to preach or put any smoke screens.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:39 AM

but even that wouldn't affect already laid down sediment, it juat means there'd be no humans aroun to aak questions.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:42 AM

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but even that wouldn't affect already laid down sediment, it juat means there'd be no humans aroun to aak questions.
It would.The effects would be large scale catclysmic events that could upturn everything.Humans could survive depending on circumstances.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:15 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 27 September 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

Okay let me be more specific,we do not know that the moon and it's orbit as you observe it today have always been stagnant and there is no way to tell.
In fact, not only is there a way to tell, they've already figured it out.

Tidal marks on sedimentary stone show that the Moon was once much closer to the Earth.  This fits perfectly with the observed fact that the Moon is gradually increasing its orbital distance (radius) from the Earth - about an inch or two a year, IIRC.

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And if a geographical pole shift has happened on Earth it would definitely have an effect on the moon and it's revolution arount the Earth,maybe the orbit of the moon has been altered or can be altered by a major event.No point in taking the moon as a reference in this speculation.
A pole shift such as you describe would completely wipe out practically every species on Earth.

See, there is energy stored in the rotation of the Earth (angular momentum.)  This energy, along with the Moon's gravitational stabilizing effect, absolutely prevents the Earth from simply flipping over (think gyroscope.)  If some outside force caused a pole shift, the energy involved would likely melt the entire surface of the Earth.

All of which means there would be nobody to "mistakenly assume" that the geological column was wrong.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:42 PM

View PostHarte, on 27 September 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

In fact, not only is there a way to tell, they've already figured it out.

Tidal marks on sedimentary stone show that the Moon was once much closer to the Earth.  This fits perfectly with the observed fact that the Moon is gradually increasing its orbital distance (radius) from the Earth - about an inch or two a year, IIRC.


A pole shift such as you describe would completely wipe out practically every species on Earth.

See, there is energy stored in the rotation of the Earth (angular momentum.)  This energy, along with the Moon's gravitational stabilizing effect, absolutely prevents the Earth from simply flipping over (think gyroscope.)  If some outside force caused a pole shift, the energy involved would likely melt the entire surface of the Earth.

All of which means there would be nobody to "mistakenly assume" that the geological column was wrong.

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What you state about the moon's orbit is in relatively recent terms when we talk of heavenly bodies.Tidal marks can have multiple interpretations.Maybe the outside force did not directly act on the Earth rather on the moon hence changing its gravitational interactions with Earth Also the gravitational feild of hugh heavenly body passing by but not directly colliding can also cause the Earth to flip by overcoming it's angular momentum.You are narrowing external event to a direct impact with Earth.

Such an event 'could' not necessarily 'will' kill all known species (intervention can be possible).


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 03:04 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 27 September 2012 - 06:04 AM, said:

What if there is a global flood in the future and all the sedimentary layers are reaaranged and disturbed?I am just saying that no matter how great the credentials of a person 'assuming' something are,'assumptions' should only be stated as 'assumptions' and not 'fact'.

Also-Carbon Dating is only claimed to be accurate till a period of 80,000 years and what you probably mean in K-Ar dating.You should read up on the assumptions made in decideing the Geological column.

Turbidation leaves recognizable traces in the redeposited sediments. A global flood would produce a global layer of turbidity that would stand out like the iridium layer in the K-T boundery.  At most you might get a geological discontinuity in places, like the one I'm sitting on right now. The less resistant rocks like mudstones  have been scoured down to the more resistant one, in my case ordivician limestone. Two miles to the east of me though it's straight down to the precambrian basement rock. However, anywhere there's more resistant rock, the original geological column is going to remain making the discontinuity stand out like a sore thumb, as with the capping layer of sandstone protecting the mudstone plateau a mile west of me.  This though was done over thousands of years by successive glaciation events.  The amount of water it would take to strip the entire world in a single event would wipe out virtually all land-based life as surely as a planetary collision.

In any case you'd end up with a new sequence of new layers of sediment, not a rearrangement of old ones, and the likelihood of those new layers magically settling in such a way as for all the fossils therein to line up and form a noticeable sequence of their own is infinitesimal.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 03:09 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 27 September 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

A Geographical Pole Shift; also known as a Geophysical Pole Shift. This is the process wherein the North Pole changes positions somewhere between 0 degrees to 180 degrees with the South Pole. In a total positional change, the globe literally flips over, such that the two poles change positions. There is much evidence this has occured numerous times in the past. This would be a Slate Wiper! Continents would sweep over continents. Some continents would fall to the sea floor. Mountains would be hurled into the oceans; and, in some cases, be hurled into other mountains. The geography would change quickly. Ocean basins would sweep over continents wiping out all living things. There would be felt an instant tingling and then burning of the skin as humans would undergo flash freezing. At the same time cold areas would become tropic areas and vice versa.

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So now you're formulating you're own version of geological pole shift to accommodate your beliefs? Pole shift "theory" as it stands has the entire crust of the planet slipping in place as a single unit, not breaking up and piling all over itself willy-nilly.

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